share your ambitions/goals/training here on a 'newbie ultra' thread........
yes theres the ox ultra but that's very hilly , at end of May . other option is Northants 35 , start of june, mainly off road but bits on tarmac too going through villages,nice route, more rolling than steep hills, generous cut off. id say that even if most of your training is done on road then Northants is still doable. I really had run off road much at all before I did it and if I can bimble round it then anyone can !!
,millsy1977 , ox ultra looks quite tempting.
I recently went on a day course for map reading and navigation skills. After a few pointers from the instructor (which are obvious after you have been told about them) it is quite easy to pick up. We then went out into the field to practice our new skills and it was relatively easy to locate certain points on the map that we were given. I've got my first race this weekend, the Kinder Trial, that requires some navigation so I am looking forward to it but am also a bit nervous. The course I went on was in the Peak District and only cost £40 so well worth the money in my opinion
Thanks carterusm it's worth thinking about.
Someone has to keep prodding the thread
OK so I am now signed up for my first 100m (around 30 odd weeks away). Winter100
I have three other ultras. 69M in June, 86M August, 50M Sept. Then this 18th Oct.
So I am building up my base milage using P&D Plan for an early May Marathon. I've managed to stagger around 50M before in under 12hours.
So after listening to sensible people like Ben. I'm planning on not going any quicker I don't think then my last 50 for my first ultra of the year in June, so go through 50M in between 11:30 -12 hours, the same as my First one but try not to fade badly towards the end it's more about being able to keep going then going quick.
Then all out training for the next two months for the 86M which is the ridgeway challenge as if I can get through that in 26 hours which is the limit, then I should be able to keep going for the other 14 miles.
Then use my 50M in Sept as a lovely long training run, followed the week after by a Marathon, then a 3 week taper until the winter 100.
I'm not really going with a plan as such after i finish my P&D Plan in May.
After that i'm going to run 5 days a week and try to do a 20 something plus a 10 plus on consecutive days 4 out of every 6 weeks.
As I am using the three ultras as long training runs as well as proper runs, do I need to look at any more serious distances? Is a 25m with say a 15-18 the day after every other week the sort of distance that would just about get me through a 100m ? Or do you think i'm kidding myself and need to dive straight into a proper programme, if so any recommendations?
Booktrunk, I have no idea as I am as much a novice as you! But, that sounds like some seriously hefty mileage for someone who has not been running that long in the grand scheme of things! I would have thought your biggest issue would be getting through that and avoiding injury!
I'll be interested to see what the experienced guys say, but doing that many back to backs off only a limited initial base sounds a bit worrying to me!
my eyes are boggling at all that mileage and racing!! But then you've seen my posting on the thread about how many races in a year, I fall woefully short in comparison to many. I think the key thing here amongst all the training is to really listen to your body and not ignore any signs when it's saying it's tired or needs a change of pace. Ultra running/racing is so different to marathon training. I think I did my 50 mile PB on the SDW 100 (my first and only 100-miler to date) going through in about 11.15 or something, however, I wish I had gone through a little slower than that as my second half of the race took about 15.30!!!
Navigation - I was lucky in that I got the basics as a teenager in the Venture Scouts, it wasn't until I did my Summer ML training that much of it really fell into place, however outfits like the YHA do courses, orienteering is also a great way. Ordnance Survey do some basic 'how to' leaflets which will teach you the basics and then it's a case of getting out and using it as much as possible. I actually find night navigation easier than day navigation sometimes - there is less to distract you in the dark and convince yourself you are going the right way when in fact you are not!!
It might be helpful if I list my training last week:
Monday to Friday I ran home from work (7.32 miles).
Friday I rested.
Saturday 23.53 miles with lots of hills, really slow plodding pace.
Sunday 18.74 miles on a much flatter route.
Total 71.55 miles.
Some world class 100 mile runners don’t do any more than that.
After a couple of weeks like that, I would always have a light week with little training. Periodic rest is as important as training, or you will wear yourself out.
I would say that booktrunk is thinking along the right lines at the moment
Hi David, see you at Ladybower
The big difference is what the 'world class' guys put in their weeks to make up those 75 miles, Ben.
Well I can assure you all that I've no intention of being world class So ball park figures and approximate ideas of ways to go are greatly appreciated here
I'm hoping to end up doing 5 days a week. I think I need to try and put one session in with speed in, I want to try to keep one weekend day with my OH which makes it difficult. So Sunday Long Run, Monday medium long run (after work), Tuesday off, Wed Speed, Thurs medium distance, Friday gentle recovery run. Might swap Thurs and Friday, but this way round have a nice relaxing little run Friday night, then Saturday off.
By the time I begin this after my May marathon it will all have changed 500 times and be completely different again But, I like having the ideas going through my head. Some of the Saturdays off will be all day hikes around Derbyshire with my oh and dog.
I am new to Ultra running and am nervously excited about the Imber 33 miler I have entered March 9th. I was recommended the "Relentless Forward Progress" book (cheap on amazon) as it is geared towards newbies. I have found one of the training plans in there to be brilliant and even though my average weekly mileage is now 46 per week I have found the training easier than when I trained for London last year.
A typical week consists of Mon-rest, Tues-7, Weds-5, Thurs-7, Fri-rest, Sat-24, Sun-7. You also get mini taper weeks every third week where Sat & Sun become more balanced say: Sat-14, Sun-10
Cant believe that two years ago I couldn't run for 10 minutes without having to stop and now I am going to be an Ultra runner - relentless forward progress!!!
Booktrunk, I'm firmly convinced that for people at the back end of ultras (which definately includes me) a decent hike is as good training as anything. After all, I'll spend a big chunk of any event doing it.
On that note, some elite ultra runners include walking as part of their routine. They usualy measure it in terms of time spent on their feet i.e. eight hours.
Sure it's been covered before in this thread, but just to throw it out there, don't forget to add in some core strength training. I do 4 runs a week and one circuit session at a gym focusing on core, upper body and legs, building to 2 a week in the run up to a race. i'm usually thankful for those towards the end of a long run!
Out of interest cookiecrew, what benefit do you see from those sessions? How are they beneficial to you at the end of a long run?
I include plenty of hills in my training. Mainly because I love hills, but also because in my opinion running up hill is the single best strength exercise a runner can do.
I do no specific gym sessions or anything like that, just the occasional bouldering when I can.
I would second the core body stuff. I try and do a routine at least once a week with a balance ball and this seems to help me keep form on longer runs.
Maybe you could run fast if you did some gym work WiB
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