wannabe ultra runner?

share your ambitions/goals/training here on a 'newbie ultra' thread........

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18/03/2014 at 10:01

Thanks, I've bailed out of the TP100 so all go for the SDW50 and 100 - hopefully that way I can aim for a good time as well as just completing. If I'm fresh after that I'll go and sort out some unfinished business with the NDW100.

Now to see if I can manage to train for it without getting overtrained and injured...

18/03/2014 at 13:59

good luck with that then Ultra Shaz, I am rarely overtrained, usually undertrained AND injured!!! sounds like a good call though to me ...

WiB
18/03/2014 at 14:06

Smart choice.

SDW50 is less than 3 weeks away, hopefully you shouldn't be able to overtrain yourself too much in that time

WiB
18/03/2014 at 15:56
cragchick wrote (see)

good luck with that then Ultra Shaz, I am rarely overtrained, usually undertrained AND injured!!! sounds like a good call though to me ...

CC, you n me both!

18/03/2014 at 16:17

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24/03/2014 at 20:09

So...... For newbies, what would you recommend as a good first ultra, and why.

Personally I think Ladybower 50 there is a 20/35/50m option. 

You do a 5m small loop, and then 3 x 15m loops, so you are never that far from the car, so your having an adventure, you have a couple of sleep hills, and with the15m laps you don't have to carry to much just enough for15m  

26/03/2014 at 17:22
Sorry late to the party CC and LLB I'm another one that is always undertrained and injured!

So with that in mind what is the minimal training required to get through 100m? ????
Edited: 26/03/2014 at 17:23
27/03/2014 at 23:06

Just remember that a HUGE amount of it is in the mind for starters, and if you are sensible from the start with pacing and walking then that will pay dividends at the end. The only 100-miler I've done was the SDW 100 in June 2012, interesting way to spend my birthday!!!  I did a 50-mile race at the end of January that I had sort of trained for (longest run about 22 miles before Christmas), toiled through Spring feeling very sloth-like (start of asthma problems) and did the Highland Fling (53 miles) at end of April, then spent five weeks doing no running whatsoever due to asthma throwing a real wobbly, a couple of 23-24 mile runs in late May-early June and then 100 miles. Didn't do the 100 in sub-24, more like 26.50 or something I think.

Currently working the injured/undertrained theme for the Great Glen Way in 15 weeks time ... longest run to date 17 miles, miles to be completed on day 73 - ha ha ha !!

28/03/2014 at 08:29

booktrunk: hugely variable, but I'd say that one close to home, that you can recce, is a good first choice. For me, on both my first ultra (London Ultra, 50K) and my first 50-miler (NDW50), having recced the course was hugely helpful, particularly in the end stages: really KNOWING how far I had to go and what I had to cover to get there was very helpful. London Ultra was definitely a bit longer than 50K and knowing how far I had to go from my recces stopped me from worrying when I had reached 31 miles on the Garmin and couldn't see the finish. NDW50, knowing the route and terrain really helped me push through to the sub-10-hour finish I wanted.

However for some people it might be that covering ground that they have never seen before is the motivation they need to finish?

28/03/2014 at 21:50

I have never recced a race yet, partly because I live so far away from most of the races I do that logistics and family don'tunt allow, and partly because I actually believe ignorance is bliss! I like not knowing what's round the corner ... Perhaps I'm just wierd like that!!! May actually do a little rece of the big Hill in great glen way, purely because it's only an hour away from where I live, or maybe I won't

29/03/2014 at 17:58

cragchick: exactly! - It's so very variable between people, what works, what's motivating - for me, knowing the ground, when I'm tackling a new distance for the first time; for you, NOT knowing.

29/03/2014 at 18:16

Hi guys- am about to do my second 50 miler- (glasgow to Edin= 55miles). UNdertrained, naturally- last year I'd done a trainig run of marathon length, but not this year- max is 20 miles, but more running in the few weeks before the race, whereas last year's trainig marathon knocked me out of action for the 5 weeks before the race.

I can't understand how I finished it las tyear- mostly it was the very strong wish to get a 50 miles run under my belt, then the realisation , that having made it ot 50 miles, I COULD finish within cut off even if I walked, which was about all I could do by then.

Unfortunately there are no check -point times on the web for last year's race, and my Garmin failed to cope after about 50 miles, so I don't know how my pacing was (excpet for the walking at the end!).

So: any advice re: pacing? - Go out at 40 minutes slower than usual speed of marathon for first half, (ie about MP +90sec per mile) then just try to keep moving? Start slower, hoping I'll not slow down so much??- I only had 11 minutes in hand over the cut- off last yar, but I am hoping I'll not spend so long at the checkpoints this year, - I spent a long time sitting telling everyone I'd stopped, then changed my mind!

Any suggestions? I know I'll be pushing it to finish at all, given my poor trainig, but it isn't actually significantly worse than last year, so I'm hoping I cn get by.

Anyone else doing this race?

29/03/2014 at 20:44

Hi tricialitt - I think the usual advice is "start slow, then slow down...". Can you look at your Garmin data, see what your moving speed was? Or did you actually lose it all? I've previously done calculations on say "well if I keep moving at an average of X and spend five minutes per aid station then I'd come in at..." Of course, the time at aid stations can really add up if you're not careful. Maybe work it out in order to stay an amount you are comfortable with ahead of the cut-offs?

29/03/2014 at 20:44

tricialitt - if you're about a 4:00 marathon runner I would say +90s per mile is just about right.  In the early stages this feels very slow and you have to be disciplined to stick at it.

That's for road running though. If you are off road allow a much slower pace.

Obviously you have to bear in mind the cut off for the first few CPs which in some events are often earlier than is comfortable for even a mid-pack runner.

29/03/2014 at 20:48

My next ultra is a road one - Connemara 39.3 - a week tomorrow.  I'm too undertrained to break the 6-hour barrier.  I'll have to see how I do.  Hopefully at least 6:30.

 

Hi Debra.

30/03/2014 at 16:19

Thanks- I went out for a 4:1 run/ walk try-out today- this give me about 9.1 kph average, which is close to my target pace of MP + 90sec- so Ill go out like that for the first bit, and reassess at the 22mile mark- I know that eventually I'll get to a point where 4 minutes running seems too much,and I have no idea what happens to overall pace at other ratios.

The race is on such a pan flat course that you can't use the natural variation in incline to prompt walk breaks- there is ONE uphill bit- and stupidly it occurs just after the CP at 22milesl- big uphill, then a slippy run through a long , dark, scary tunnel!- You certainly lose time at tha bit, but I just need to regard it as a recovery break, and not get too rattled ( as I did last year).

CP cut offs seem OK- (actually the finish line cut=off is pretty realxed, too- several finishers have been given times which are outside this "cut off" in the last 3 years). The main concern is daylight-  the last bit of the race runs through a pretty unpleasant neighbourhood, and doing it after dark is not pleasant- last year I hooked up with another runner, who was incapacitiated by vomitig, so could onyl walk- I decided to walk with him, rather than try to run alone, since I didn't reckon I would go much faster even if I tried to run!

30/03/2014 at 18:39

Hi T Rex - hope you enjoy the Connemara.  I completed both laps at my parkrun yesterday, at a walk/jog, in 38.55. That's the closest thing I've done to a run since the end of September. Ankle felt fine, but I'm going to progress s l o w l y, not stress the tendon too soon.

tricialitt - sounds like a plan! Sympathies for the too-flat terrain - I certainly prefer a more undulating course.

31/03/2014 at 10:02

Good to hear that people's injuries are starting to improve. Debra - it must have felt great to be able to do something again after a long lay off.

I did my first event of the year yesterday - the Daffodil Dawdle with the LDWA. It was my first experience of the LDWA and I loved it! Very laid back, great value for money (£7 for excellent organisation and way more food than I could eat!) and plenty of friendly people to chat to on the way round. Plus I knocked about half an hour off my marathon PB (it was only my 2nd marathon and as both have been off road following route descriptions the times don't mean much, but it gives me a good gauge of progress), so very pleased with where I am at this stage of the season. Only disappointment was that tummy was playing up a little bit, so couldn't take advantage of all the wonderful food on offer!

T Rex - good luck for Connemara. I don't know how you manage that distance on the road, I don't think my body could take the pounding!

01/04/2014 at 22:27

LN&B - that's as far as I would ever go on the road.  It's just that the event is so good with great scenery.  Mrs T Rex and I also like Galway City a lot so it makes a good break.  I did the marathon in 2004 and the ultra every year since.

01/04/2014 at 23:36

Ultra running is insane

i've ran 587km so far this year, not a  huge amount, but I've still not been running for 2 years,  I'm quite happy with that and was feeling quite happy till I worked out my 3 marathons and 4 ultras that i have planned for this year, total around 620km so I'm probably going to do in 7 days what is going to take me the first 100 days of the year to do. 

..... That's a bit of a reality check *gulp* need to put my credit card away and stop looking at races  

Edited: 01/04/2014 at 23:37
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