wannabe ultra runner?

share your ambitions/goals/training here on a 'newbie ultra' thread........

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10/08/2015 at 19:43

SP13- don't let it get you down, I have never been over 20 miles on my own, all my longer trainig runs were done as trainig marathons- hence water supplies laid on, and additional folk around to look out for/ motivate me, or as part of a recce group out for a very slow bimble along the course- I've spent 4.5 hours covering less than 20 miles that way, and it's great training, as well as very sociable, so it's not all about miles covered.

Can you find any other groups trainig similar distances? Facebook groups sometimes form before these races, and are a good way of arranging recce / group runs. Even if there is n't a group for your specific race ( as far as I recall it's a solo run, rather than an official race- is that correct?). there might be local groups you can tag onto. Ultra runners are a friendly bunch, and most group/ recce runs are "more the merrier", as long as you take a little care to clarify that you're not joining a group who are planning on 7 minute miles as their "slow" pace.

Edited: 10/08/2015 at 19:45
11/08/2015 at 07:35

Thanks . It's a solo run so there isn't an facebook group but I had a good long chat with my running partner (who I run most of my short runs with) and she has said that she will run some of my long run with me. She can run up to 20km so that's nearly half the distance and has said that we can run as slowly as I need to. I think that will be a big help - especially if she runs the last 20km with me. 

20/08/2015 at 01:24

Yes, get her to run the last 20K with you.  It will be a great morale boost and will spur you on to the finish.

Your last long run should be this weekend and then begin tapering.

I've got Race to the Castle ultra on Saturday (42 miles).  With achilles tendonitis in both feet and a wet day in prospect it's going to be tough.

Then got 10Peaks Brecon Beacons 55 on 5 Sep and Black Mountains 40-ish on 12 Sep.

It all seemed to make sense when I booked these things but now looks to be lunacy!

20/08/2015 at 08:40

have fun T Rex.

I'm twiddling my thumbs going a bit mad.  I've had a dodgy knee since the beginning of the year, and i've tried physio (expensive) and have now resorted to giving myself a month completely off running to try to fix it. Roll on September ! When I flex the leg wrong i can still slightly feel it now, but i can walk up and down stairs with no twinges at all, and got myself a turbo trainer, and can use that ok, but I ice the knee after each use, and think i'm slowly healing.  Really looking forward to running again.

20/08/2015 at 08:43

Thanks T Rex. As you suggest, last long run this weekend and feeling really positive.

Good luck with your two races - they sound great/hard. Hope your feet hold out. Race to the castle makes me think uphill. Aren't all castles built on hills? I hope they go really well.

20/08/2015 at 10:03

Good luck all, whether trainig, racing, or recuperating. Hope the knee is OK once you get going again, booktrunk.

I'm just starting a plan for a 33 miler in November- on hilly trail. I am using a marathon plan, and doing all the longer runs on local hilly trail to acclimatise to the type of conditions.

Just a 10-miler last weekend, but it was tough, as it was onthe steepest bit I have access to nearby..


20/08/2015 at 10:43

T Rex - yes, lunacy indeed, but you are an ultra runner.....

BT - good luck with the recovery. Does that mean that you won't be able to race for the rest of the year ?

Tricialitt - which race is that in November ?

I have about recovered from the St Cuthberts Way ultra from 5 weeks ago and the knee seems ok now. I've decided that the Hardmoors 60 in September might be a step too far for me at the moment, maybe next year when I've got a couple more races under my belt. So, I've decided to enter the Round Rotherham 50. It's fairly local to me and nice and flat (only 3000ft of elevation) so I should be capable of finishing my first ever 50 miler if all goes well

20/08/2015 at 10:55

carterusm: I have ladybower which i signed up to last year, which is end of september, and i've managed to not sign up for anything between then and the beginning of May Hardcastle 24 So i'm not sure if i'll sign up for anything or almost start again and build up carefully.  I struggled with not having fixed plans i think, so I need to come up with something realistic that i can stick to

Ladybower is 50m way to far when i've hardly run in July and 0 in August, but i'll treat it as  gentle training run, and as it's a 5m lap and then 3 x 15m laps i might just do 20m and then wander off



Edited: 20/08/2015 at 10:57
24/08/2015 at 08:58

My 45km run went really well yesterday. Left the house at half past five in the morning and took a route along the bayside that took me out of town and through woodlands and past flat lands. It was a great run with plenty of flora and fauna, and finished before it got too warm.

Came home and painted the outdoor woodwork for 3 hours so feeling much more confident about my ultra. Thanks for the kinds words of encouragement.

24/08/2015 at 14:58

Not been on for a while as been on holiday in the Peak District having done the Ultra Tour of the Peak District 60 miler. Had a really great race on a beautiful but tough course.

Glad your latest run went well SP13 and you are feeling more confident.

booktrunk - why not give Ladybower a miss this year? You will only be tempted to do too much if you go! Maybe offer to volunteer this year and see if they will defer your entry for next year?

tricialitt - hope your training plan has started well.

Hope Race to the Castle went well T Rex.

25/08/2015 at 12:30

I am toying with running an ultra next year, I have got  quite a few marathons under my belt but want to step it up. I have run two marathions this year one The White Peak (not a city one) and may do three more before the end of the year, last one will be the 28th November.  I may start with a very small ultra The Railway Ultra 28miles.  I am then booked into the Manc Marathon 9th April and then thinking of a 50k in May.  What sort of training should I do - do I just follow my marathion training which the longest run is 22miles and I average @48miles per a week (peak at 60).  Also, do I need any specialist gear as I did a 30k fell race a week ago - Belper Rugby Rover and a lot were wearing these race vest thingys!  Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

26/08/2015 at 14:00

BT - how is the injury and recovery ?

SP - well done on the long run, sounds lovely.

LNandB - More details about the UTPD please ! How did you find the terrain ? What was the weather like ? Finishing time ? Well done on getting it done anyway, I know it's a tough old route.

T Rex - did you make it to the castle ?

Tricialitt - how is the training going ?

Helen - there isn't a great deal of difference between a marathon training plan and one for a 50k. Your mileage already looks sufficient for you to get round. The only thing you might want to do differently is to incorporate some hills into your training (I assume there are hills in your 50k ?). And it would also be beneficial if you did some training runs on similar terrain to that of your 50k if you can. How did you get on at Belper ? And you definitely need a race vest thingy, it's compulsory to have one and the following year you will find you need another one or maybe two ! It depends on your race strategy really; for a 50k you might get away with a belt and carry a hand held bottle and just eat at the checkpoints/aid stations. Don't forget, there will also be a mandatory kit list of stuff you have to carry so you will have to work out the best way for you. As always, it's a good idea to practice these things in training rather than leaving it until race day. Good luck.

I am now in training for the Round Rotherham 50 which I am running instead of the Hardmoors 60 (home stuff means a change of plan). I have also, today, entered next years South Downs Way 100. Hopefully, I haven't bitten off more than I can chew as I haven't even done a 50 miler yet ! But if it was that easy everyone would be doing it....

26/08/2015 at 18:49

Hi carterusm

cheated and ran a whole 1 mile so far this month, have been on a turbo trainer 3 or 4 times a week for between 30 and 65 minutes  

the knee still isn't perfect but it's a lot better, so not sure if I will try gentle running in a weeks time or just give it another 2 or 3 weeks.

i have to get plodding again at some point as I crumbled, and caved in and have signed up to run London Marathon for  charity, running it for a Guide Dogs for the blind, the. Two weeks after that having a second stab at doing a 24 hour race at Hardcastle 24, it's got a bloody steep hill in the 5k trail loop that you keep repeating, and so it's a fun challenge.  

26/08/2015 at 21:19

I'm following a marathon plan for my 33 miler in november, to be honedt, I can't even manage the weekly miles for the marathon plan, so there's no chance of doing more.

Somehow I've managed to do 3 x 50 milers off nothing more than 30 miles per weel trainig, so I will just keep trying, in the hope that if I can get the mileage up a bit, I will find it easier, andmove away from the cut- off times!

26/08/2015 at 21:44

Tricia I've learnt I can only do so much when I go over that I break, so 30-35 is going to be my weekly average, with only one or two weeks every six months doing 50m

26/08/2015 at 22:11

BT, I'm sure that, we are better to stick within our limits, rather than crash and burn repetaedly, I think it is just best t o accept that other folk can do these miles, but that some of us need to keep to lower miles, snd deal with that, as higher mileage is unsustainable.

I think a 50 miler is possible on relatively low mileage ( been there- OK, completing, not competing), but 100-miler is a different beast, and perhps not for the likes of us. I don't imaging ever tolerating high mile age trainig, just getting over 30 miles per weeek would be a milestone!


27/08/2015 at 11:51

Carterusm, thanks for your reply.  I came in at 2 hours 47min which I was please with as it was my first really hiily event for a long time,  I did teh White Peak Marathon in 3 hour 32 min which was a steady flat incline on a trail - not the same thing.

I do recommend the Rover - where are you based?

27/08/2015 at 12:31

BT - sounds like you've got the early part of next year planned already !

Tricialitt - I believe that if you don't try you will never know, so I'm going to give it a try. What's the worst that can happen......

Helen - excellent work at Belper, second in your age category ? I am in Sheffield so just up the road from you. Most of my off road training is done in the Hope Valley around Castleton, Hope, Edale etc. I have ventured south to just south of Matlock bath and done some runs on the High Peak and Tissington trails but not a great deal. Do you, will you, venture into the peaks at anytime ? 

27/08/2015 at 17:36

Catersum I am helen morley under my old profile and on my tablet! I was first in my age category as the walkers times who set off earlier got mixed up With the later runners. The lady who was walking was to be honest more run / walking.  I tend to run around where I live which is just below matlock.  The White peak was on the tissington trail.  

02/09/2015 at 00:04

Run to the Castle went well, thanks.  Fortunately we didn't have to climb up the very steep hill  to Harlech castle for the finish, but instead finished at a school near the railway station. A good event - very low key and many different types of coastal terrain including about 7 miles on beaches.

Considering I'm carrying an injury I was pleased to get round in 9:57 (an hour quicker than expected).

The next one this Saturday is much bigger, the 10Peaks Brecon Beacons long course.  Including a run there today I have now done three recces of the most difficult bits, trying to find the best paths, or any path for that matter!  It is very, very damp underfoot - flippers might be best.  Or my feet might look like flippers by the time I've finished.


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