share your ambitions/goals/training here on a 'newbie ultra' thread........
I've gone and done it! Entered my first Ultra! It's at the end of June, so I have 1 month from Edinburgh Marathon to get round an ultra....aaaaaarrrrggghhh!!!!!
booktrunk - I am the same, a long slooooow run, something vaguely speedy, something with hills (my very long runs are not always with hills because I need to make sure I am on a route I won't get lost on so I am back in time for the school run ), and then if I have time in the week for another run or two they are at easy pace. Like you say though, sometimes you just feel really good and 'easy' pace is not as slow as it may have meant to be!!! and other weeks speedy just aint going to happen!
After all the posts on here, and getting my head into Ultra running into the idea of an ultra, I am unable to train yet again this week with massive pain behind my knee when running.... So depressed about it, looks like my entry into Salisbury 54321 was wasted.....not sure what to do, more physio, more rest...no training....
Does the physio know what is wrong Dank-art?
I did it! Entered Country to Capital yesterday I have another 8 marathons to run this year, the last one being Portsmouth on 21st December so I figured a January ultra shouldn't require that much more training.
What would your suggestion be for distance of the longest training run I should do?
Dank-art, breathe. You have time.
For the Country to Capital, there is no need for your longest training run to necessarily be longer than in a marathon training plan. Just do another run of say 15 miles the day after while your legs are still tired.
good advice Ben,run on knackered legs
Dark-art - agree with Peronel hear, B-R-E-A-T-H-E, you have plenty of time to resolve providing you know what the cause/problem is.
on B2B running, I usually don't set myself a set goal for the run following the long run, more I just head out (if I actually get to do that) and see how the legs feel and go from there. I think otherwise it's easy to ignore signs your legs could be telling you that the previous days long run was quite enough! Just don't want to overdo things, b2bs can be tricky things if they are new to you. Just my opinion though and I don't do them that often, only if life allows.
Dank-art- if your salisbury way I highly reccomend ' back on track ' sports physio in andover . I have entered there on crutches before and walked out without them an hour later . They are amazing . I live about an hour away from them now but still travel to see them if injured ( and I'm an nhs professional so I'm very picky )
you out gave plenty of time to turn this around . Good luck .
Book trunk - we've spoken on ' the wall' topic , can't believe it's only 7 weeks away .
Quick question as you have done this before and I'm a total newbie - yesterday I ran a Mara as a training run and have another in 3 weeks . Would you advise a long , say 20 miler in between ? Did get carried away yesterday and perhaps ran a bit hard , worried re recovery etc . Thanks .
I am in Essex so not near Salisbury at all, I haven't been to the physio yet, thought I'd wait a week or two and not run, seem to have a never ending stream of issues since my calf strain 4 weeks before the London Marathon, bit disheartening since I was training correctly and went to the physio immediately to minimise any issues....perhaps I started my training too soon after the LM, 2 weeks after.....anyway if after this week I am ok, leaves me a pitiful 10 weeks, is the really enough to do the 50km Training....why is running so addictive, and why is it so depressing when you can't get out there, (
MSTH: if you only have 3 weeks, then ummm err maybe / maybe not
if you worked really hard then probably not. Maybe go for a huge long walk for time in feet one day. I did a marathon yesterday and it was harder than I wanted did an 8km walk in the evening and a 9km run today.
maybe try to fit a run in tonight and then plan to take the next marathon slower but do a good run the day after.
are you doing any back to back weekends it sounds like your marathon means it's rig in the middle of your training, else I'd say try alternative weeks as back to back? I'm not really that sure myself as before I've only done 50m and think the extra 19 takes a lot more 50m you can do on a Marathon plan I think, 69m few back to back runs or very long days on feet seems important.
Wow book trunk can't believe your running already after your Mara , which one did you do? I did the neolithic and started out as a LSR replacement as it was hilly and trail and then ended up with a PB which was great but legs still a little tender today ( think my ego was writing cheques my body couldn't cash)
im doing the wall over 2 days so haven't done the back to backs as I'm a bit injury prone and just want to get to the start in tact . Have you done many B2B ?
Dank art - sounds like a bursitis sometimes referred to as a "bakers cyst'- look on patient uk - knee bursitis . Will give you lots of advice re treatment etc.
never say never !!
This was my first, and I can tell you it was a shock to the system, my legs were dead, they just had no bounce in them at all. I could have gone further but had to go out somewhere but it was slow and bloody hard work.
in all honestly it was a s**t this is hard moment.... felt like I could have walked another marathon, but not a chance in hell I could run more than about 20 miles without it being slower than a walk
it really worth doing and I'm going to try to get at least 2 more back to backs in before the wall
Oh for us not very experienced ultra runners...... Read the TP100 thread, bit of an eye opener....
Pretty sure it's not knee bursitis as not inflamed or swollen and the pain is at the back of the knee, upper part of the calf moving across to the right edge of the calf muscle top, also feels very deep inside... kind of locks up if i am sitting at work and then get up, or sleeping and get up, but the pain goes straight away...very odd, but when i was running this became steadily more painful....I'll get a physio appointment next week, in the lake district this weekend too, mountain hiking.... :/
Is it the knee or is it a calf strain right at the top? can you dig your fingers in or rub it hard with a golf ball or similar and feel a sore spot? a muscle tear is annoying but I always thing a muscle injury isn't as worrying as a knee injury.
I've ended up changing trainers recently from support ones that have got less supporty (have i just invented a new word?) over the last 2 generations, to their more supporty version, that used to be considered to much support, and within a month of running in them my knee problems disappeared.
Knowing me i'll end up getting injured somewhere else as a result
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