wannabe ultra runner?

share your ambitions/goals/training here on a 'newbie ultra' thread........

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18/12/2015 at 15:25

I don't think so (I haven't had it long). There is one line on it with an arrow pointing in the direction you are travelling. But it doesn't say if you are following the line in the right direction or not ! It just means looking at the watch fairly regularly unless you are completely sure you're on the right path. Some of my training runs with it have meant coming off one trail onto another but if you go along a long trail e.g. the Pennine Way, you can just get your head down and go and check your watch not and again

Edited: 18/12/2015 at 15:29
18/12/2015 at 15:32

06/01/2016 at 11:10

Happy New Year everyone. Not been on here for a while with all the chaos of Christmas and 2 small children!

Hope everyone's training is going well and you are all geared up for a good start to 2016. I've had a good consistent end to 2015 with plenty of mileage, so now hoping to avoid too many bugs over the next couple of months and keep the consistency going. Did a trail marathon as a training run last week and had a super run. Winter Tanners 30m on Sunday, so that will be a good gauge of where my fitness is.

07/01/2016 at 22:15

LNandB Happy New Year to you as well. Enjoy Winter Tanners (the year I was going to do that it was cancelled due to the snow. Must run it sometime).

11/01/2016 at 10:13

Thanks Debra. I had a great run at the Winter Tanners and finished about 35 minutes faster than my target, while sticking to my aim of treating it as training and feeling I had plenty in the tank at the end. I'm very pleased with where my fitness is at this stage of the year. Winter Tanners is a really fun day out. Very basic, relaxed and friendly, but with good checkpoints and supportive marshalls. The route changes every year so keeps it interesting! A real LDWA classic!

11/01/2016 at 15:01

Happy New Year.

LNandB - I have got a LDWA event coming up in a couple of weeks, the Wilmot Wander. 31 miles around Derbys. I'm using it as a training run for the Hardmoors 55 in March. Training is tough at the moment as I have changed over to a low carb diet and running, particularly up any sort of incline, is bloomin hard going. I was in Edale at the weekend but had to change my planned route as I just couldn't move fast enough to keep warm, despite putting on all my layers. I decided to turn round and headed to Edale to watch the start of the Spine race, now that looks a race and a half. 

11/01/2016 at 17:54
I'm stuck indoors I've still got a stinky cold which I've had since before cmas.

Running outside I'm just getting a cold chest and coughing up crap, but it's warm enough indoors that I can still run on a treadmill. So I'm being lazy but managing 30 odd miles a week on the tm as opposed to the odd two or three miles outside. Cold is slowly going hope to b outside again next weekend
11/01/2016 at 22:05

I'll be interested to hear how you find the Wilmot Wander carterusm - I was considering doing it, but it didn't quite fit in with my plans this year. Can't help on the low carbs I'm afraid - although I do anything up to 10 miles fasted before breakfast, I'm a firm believer in taking carbs on board for all my longer runs. I like the confidence of the training feeling good! I hope you start to see some progress with it soon.

That's rubbish booktrunk. I have had 2 colds so far this winter, but both times have managed to only lose a few days running. Really hoping to avoid any more bugs this winter, but with 2 young children I fear that is unlikely!

12/01/2016 at 13:14

LNandB, glad you had a good time at Winter Tanners - I -will- do it one of these years.

cartereusm. I can't help either. I have a vegetarian/near-vegan diet with lots and lots of plant foods (I eat at least 15 different plants a day, often 20 or more - that doesn't mean that number of 'portions' of veg). I do occasional long fasted runs (I think my longest so far has been 24 miles) but I can't see moving to a low-carb diet given that e.g. lentils are a major part of my food intake. I'll be interested to hear how it works for you.

booktrunk: sympathies for the cold. I seen to have been luck - got one last week but only mild and was still able to run.

13/01/2016 at 07:50

BT - things must be bad if you have to resort to running a treadmill. Urgh !

LNandB - I think there is a lot to be said for how you feel mentally so, if taking carbs for you works, then that's the way to do it. It's only a matter of time before you catch a cold though ! I'm doing a recce of the first 15 of the WW this weekend, apparently there is plenty of mud on the course

Debra - I don't think I could name you 20 different plant based foods ! I don't miss the carbs to be honest; I was always a lover of bread and potatoes but I've been able to give them up with no issues. Cauliflower is a fine substitute for making rice and mash though. I've even given up alcohol and am not really missing it yet, admittedly it has only been 10 days so far. The one area I am struggling with though is coffee, or to be more precise a latte or milky coffee. I even tried making one with soya milk but that's not for me. As long as I include the carbs in the milk in my daily allowance it works ok but it would be nice to be able to cut down on the coffee.

Edited: 13/01/2016 at 07:51
13/01/2016 at 13:14

carterusm: let's see: lentils, soya beans, chickpeas, kidney beans, haricot beans (e.g. baked beans), butter beans, black bean, black-eyed beans, wheat, rice, barley, oats, buckwheat, rye, maize/sweetcorn, millet, quinoa, wild rice, chia, hemp, linseed, sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds, sesame seeds, Brazil nuts, peanuts, hazel nuts, cashews, walnuts, pecans, almonds, chestnuts, coconut, potato, sweet potato, swede, turnip, carrot, parsnip, mushroom, oyster mushroom, shitake, chanterelle, onion, tomato, leek, garlic, ginger, parsley, basil, mint, broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, kale, beetroot, artichoke, Jerusalem artichoke, sweet pepper, butternut squash, celeriac, celery, courgette/marrow, avocado, fennel, okra, lettuce, spinach, watercress, rocket, cress, peas, broad beans, green beans, aubergine, beansprouts (mung beans), alfalfa, black salsify, samphire, pumpkin, asparagus, chard, pak choi, water chestnut, bamboo shoots, cucumber, chicory, lamb's lettuce, radish, olive, apple, orange, satsuma (mandarin, clementine, tangerine) banana, pear, kiwi, grape, pineapple, grapefruit, lemon, lime, peach, apricot, plum, date, fig, cranberry, redcurrant, blackcurrant, blackberry, blueberry, cranberry, raspberry, strawberry, gooseberry, cherry, rhubarb, mango, pomegranate, Sharon fruit, papaya, passion fruit, physalis...

That's 100+ to start you off!

20/01/2016 at 12:04

Debra - I hope you copied and pasted that lot !

So, I'm after some advice. Is there a recommendation about how many back to back medium/long runs to do as part of a training plan ? I did my first last weekend and plan to do 3 more, every 2 weeks, until I need to start tapering. 

20/01/2016 at 12:14


 This is the RFP Relentless Forward Progress 50m plan.  You can see how often they have them in here.

Every 2 weeks sounds high is that with 1 week gap between them, or two full weekends between them. 

Actually looking at the ultraladies plans they most weeks running back to backs

so I guess it's whatever your body can cope with without breaking down.

Edited: 20/01/2016 at 12:17
20/01/2016 at 13:10

carterusm: No, those are just what I could list easily with a few minutes to think!

Ultraladies (http://www.trailrunevents.com/ul/schedule-50m.asp) has a drop-down week every third week - so two weeks with long back-to-back runs then an easier one (can't get the table to copy-and-paste properly, but I've provided the link).

I more-or-less followed that schedule for my first 50-miler.

Edited: 20/01/2016 at 13:12
21/01/2016 at 14:08

Thanks both. I think the key thing for me is to listen to my body and make sure I don't overdo it or my dodgy knee will make an appearance again. I've just had 2 'big' weeks, for me, and right now I feel pretty good but am resisting the temptation to go long this weekend. So, I think 2 big weeks followed by an easy week seems to be the way forward and then a 3 week taper

21/01/2016 at 14:27

I find 2 big weeks, then an easy week works well for me as well. It keeps you mentally fresh as well as giving your body a chance to recover.

I don't do many back to backs, although I do generally end up doing about 6 miles orienteering the day after a long run just because orienteering events are normally on a Sunday! These are normally at a fairly high effort level so probably a similar impact. The only time I do "proper" back to backs is if I am recceing, when I will do 2 or 3 consecutive long days on the course, but at a very relaxed pace and I find these have massive training benefit in every regard.

A lot of the top runners seem to have moved away from back to backs and instead will do something like a shortish tempo the day before their long run.

25/01/2016 at 07:09

Qualified for Comrades yesterday with 3:49 at Dymchurch Marathon, which gets me into pen D. My race report is at https://runningape.wordpress.com/

Now the real training begins - this week I'll take it easy, then my mileage needs to increase from c. 50 miles a week to about 70/week (not all in one go!).

25/01/2016 at 10:56

Congratulations Debra. Great to hear you are back on top form.

27/01/2016 at 22:29

A reminder to those looking at run / walk, slow n steady really does get there if you can keep going...


Interesting to see the paces you need to achieve X distance in y time.

27/01/2016 at 22:58

LNandB: thanks!

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