Lucozade Sport Super Six: Nigel (sub-3:00)

Follow the progress of Nigel, our sub-3:00 hopeful, as he receives expert advice from mentor Steve Smythe


Posted: 19 December 2008

At a Glance Profile

Nickname: BellyBoyBarnes
Age: 43
Running for: 6 - 7 years
No. of marathons: 12

PBs:
5K 18.10
10K 39.30
Half-Marathon 1:23
Marathon 3:02

Strengths: Stamina
Weaknesses:
Listening to my body when it's telling me to stop.

Most looking forward to: The challenge as a whole, and learning from the experts.

Most dreading: Picking up an injury during training.

Favourite races: Half- marathons and marathons ( the Flora London Marathon in particular)

Did you know? I once had a £100 bet with a work mate, to lose 3 stone in 3 months and
I did it with 1 week to spare, although he never did pay-up!

• My RW profile

Goal: sub-3:00
Finish Time: Didn't run due to a fractured hip

Nigel's Training Schedule | Nigel's Food Diary Analysis | Nigel's Training Thread | Nigel's Race-Week Nutrition Strategy

Flora London Marathon: Race Day

Nigel says: I won't deny that I was gutted not to run – I had to pull out due to a fractured hip a couple of weeks before, and it looks like I may not be able to run for two or three months now.

It’s been great being part of the team though – a real experience of a lifetime and one that I’ll definitely never forget. If it weren’t for my injury, I’m sure I would have run sub-3:00 – there are plenty of marathons around so I’m thinking about maybe trying again in September.

I’m going to take so much away from the experience. Thanks to Steve, I’ve learnt so much about running in general (not just marathons) and have changed the way I approach my running for good. I’ve also learnt lots from the Lucozade Sport Science team about fuel and hydration.

I've been overwhelmed by everyone’s support and best wishes in the forums too. I feel like I've made some great running friends (some of whom I’ve now met in person) and have really enjoyed sharing our experiences. I’m definitely going to be sticking around and picking everyone’s brains in the future.


Nigel's Video Diary


Weeks 13 - 14

Nigel says: I'm still having problems with my back. The good news is that it's not a stress fracture. The bad news is that no-one knows what it is! It's so frustrating - until I know what the problem is, I can't fix it.

I've been trying all kinds of things - cycling, stretching, numerous acupuncture appointments, even "girlie" half press-ups! I'm not sure whether this is having much effect though and have eased off the bike for a day or two just to see whether it was aggravating my back. Resting seems to be working, and I'm looking forward to trying a few gentle runs over the next few days.

At the moment, my head is still 100% committed to this marathon, but my sub-3:00 goal is slipping out of sight. I really want to do the marathon, and even though it might be too late to grab that PB I still want to run and get round in a decent time.

Steve says: Sadly, Nigel's back injury has meant no running for the last fortnight. He is still optimistic he can do the race but his target would have required some hard training through March and early April. Nigel hasn't run since the Bath Half-Marathon (March 15).

Nigel will get the result of his scan shortly and hopefully, that will tell him exactly what the damage is and whether running again in the short-term is feasible. It will be a big ask for him to think about running 26 miles in two weeks but the experience should put him in good heart for his next marathon, when - back permitting - he can target the sub-3:00 he is most certainly capable of.


Weeks 11 - 12

Nigel says: The fortnight started well with my performance at the Bath Half-Marathon (March 15) - 1:27.00 and mile splits that ranged from 6:27 to 6:41. The start was very congested, but that probably kept my speed in check. I'm so pleased my splits were so even - consistent pacing is new to me but I think I've cracked it. I felt good and could have run a few more miles at that pace.

Unfortunately this did come with a price. A niggle I had in my back has turned nasty, and for the rest of the week I hardly managed to get any running in. I've been trying to stay active though. I've stretched so much I should be about 8ft tall by now, and I've spent hours on the exercise bike too.

I've got an MRI scan booked to find out what's wrong but if I'm not better and running again soon I'll be gutted. If I can't race on April 26, I'd rather run and just enjoy the atmosphere. Being a spectator just isn't the same. I really hope I'll be able to run it in a good time. I've just bought my train tickets - I AM going to London, and I'm determined to stay positive.

Steve says: Two weeks ago Nigel was gaining momentum towards his sub-3:00 ambition, getting more confident with his speed, endurance and overall fitness. He ran a very controlled race at the Bath Half-Marathon, finishing in 1:27 which was bang on target. Since then though he has been plagued by serious back pain and been unable to run.

Nigel remains optimistic about his target but every day he misses makes his target harder to achieve. Typically he has been working hard on the bike to maintain his fitness. However he needs to be back to full health very soon or he will have to re-adjust his targets.


Weeks 9 - 10

Nigel says: Things are going steadily. I’m still holding back when racing, trying to be patient and sticking to the schedule.

My focus now is the Bath Half-Marathon (March 15). Previously, I’d have gone all out for a good time, but this time I’ll be focusing on achieving a consistent pace. At this stage of my training it's more important to use these build-up races to get the pacing right - if I don't manage it in practice, I'm won't get it right during the marathon. I’m planning to hold back in the early stages, then finish stronger and faster than before.

So far, I've seen improvement every week of my training. I'll probably always be a bit impatient, but I definitely feel like I'm going in the right direction.

Steve says: Two weeks ago I said Nigel still had a tendency to try and do too much. The following weekend he ran 25 miles instead of the scheduled 20 miles. He did it for reasons of confidence, but I would never recommend covering such a distance in training. Thankfully he seems to have survived and has continued to make progress since.

His next session was a controlled 18 x 200m session. He showed good speed, and followed this up with an average 9-miler and a very good 11-miler later in the week.

At the Lucozade Sport Flora London Marathon Workshop, Nigel ran an excellent session with good pace, albeit a fair bit faster than he should have done. This shows he still has pacing and control issues even if his speed is improving!

Overall his endurance is still looking good and though there is further room for improvement as regards his speed, he is in a much better position than he was a few weeks ago. A sub-3:00 marathon looks a better possibility every week.


Weeks 7 - 8

Nigel says: After my injury, I'd been really looking forward to racing again - I didn't know if I'd be up to my target paces yet but was determined to give it a good go.

It wasn't easy - my tactics now are completely different to how I've raced in the past. Starting slow is a whole new experience for me, and I found it very hard to see people pass me who I know I can beat! 67 minutes over 10 miles wasn't my best time, but I always planned to practice pacing and not just run flat out.

On reflection, this week has been the hardest to date. My training is gathering pace but I'm feeling strong and mentally ready. I'm looking forward to picking up my speed and though I know there's still plenty of room for improvement, I feel that I've got a lot more to give.

I've now been training for eight weeks and can feel myself improving all the time. I am being very patient, which is something I would normally find very hard - I just hope I peak at the right time.

Steve says: Nigel has made tremendous progress in recent weeks. His endurance is looking good but that's always been his great strength. His speedwork has also been going well and he is now controlling his pace much better, getting stronger during the session rather than fading. Though his racing speed isn't quite there yet, his efforts over 10K and 10 mile are encouraging and a step in the right direction.

Nigel still has a tendency to try and do too much which shows his committment but to run a sub-3:00 marathon. However, it is important to be smart and controlled as well as committed - he needs to save the fast hard running for the right days and make sure he gets sufficient recovery on the other days.

Overall, it's looking more encouraging week by week for Nigel. He's probably only in 3:05 shape right now but he's getting a good minute fitter every week, and there's plenty of time to hone his speed to match his endurance.


Weeks 4 - 6

Nigel says: The last few months have been tough, but I feel like I'm really making progress now. For once, I'm actually listening to good advice and to my body. That said, I am a pretty impatient person, and now I've started to get back to training I can't wait to get back to my pre-injury speed.

I'm also back in racing mode now, with several fixtures planned for the next few months. Going off too fast is still an issue for me - I naturally have a fast starting pace, and often find that I simply can't hold back. I know this is the wrong way to run a marathon, so I'm working hard to keep my speed under control.

Overall I'm very pleased - I've seen big improvements over the past four weeks. The variety of sessions in my schedule is also making my training much more interesting. If getting the time I want on race day comes down to hard work, commitment and dedication, hopefully I shouldn't have any problems.

Steve says: Nigel still has some catching up to do. His strength is his endurance, but having missed training due to injury prior to starting his schedule, Nigel is down on where he has been on past years and initially lacked a little confidence. However, he has put in some good long runs, and his strength and confidence are coming back.

Now, Nigel should be working more on his speed, as that will be key. While he has been doing his speed sessions, the pace is certainly not there yet. But, if he can control his natural inclination to do extra miles to build endurance, rely instead on his natural stamina, and focus on getting faster, then that elusive sub-3:00 will be within his grasp.


Weeks 1 - 3

Nigel says: Three weeks in, and things are slowly starting to come together. I’m not 100% yet, but the osteopath is sorting me out and I can feel the improvement week by week. My problem is holding myself back – I never want to stop running, and I can’t resist a good race. Yet I do know that this could be my undoing.

In previous years, I’ve done lots of miles and very little speedwork, but this time, my schedule is the other way around. I’ll give this approach everything I’ve got, and I’m looking forward to reaping the results.

I’ve given up booze for the duration of my training – I’m hoping this will stop me overindulging, eating and drinking too much and undoing all my hard work.

Steve says: Nigel’s making up for lost time after being injured, so isn't where he wanted to be right now. However, his fitness is increasing, and so far the sessions have been a success. Nigel doesn’t feel ready to race, but hopefully as his fitness and confidence increase he’ll get back into racing.

It’s still early days, and Nigel has had to work on getting his endurance back. The next step is to work on his speed – he needs to be faster than he’s ever been. He’ll have to work hard, stay injury-free, and stay in control. If he does this, then a sub-3:00 marathon remains a real possibility.


About Nigel

Nigel says: I started running about seven years ago after looking through holiday photos. I was 15st and getting bigger - seeing myself in those photos was the boost I needed to do something about my weight. Since then, I’ve lost more than five stone, and I’m fitter than I’ve ever been.

I get such a buzz from running. Mentally, I’m very tough – I can run and run until I physically can’t go any further. I train six or seven times a week – occasionally clocking up more than 100 miles - and mostly, I’m running on my own.

I race frequently as it helps keep me motivated, and I sometimes train with my local club, Port Talbot Harriers. I’ve run 12 marathons with a PB of 3:02. Yet although I seem to be training harder and harder, I just can’t seem to break three hours. My times have been slowing and I’ve been picking up injuries too.

I’m beginning to think that perhaps I’m over-training. I do find it hard to hold back as I’m very, very competitive. Usually, if someone tells me to run 10 miles, I’ll run 15 instead.

That said, I’m 110% committed to doing exactly what Steve tells me I need to do to achieve my goal, and am absolutely over the moon to have been chosen for the team.

Steve says: Having run three marathons in 3:04 or faster, Nigel clearly has the capacity to break three hours. His previous times also prove that he is capable of managing the training load, is used to training consistently and has good endurance.

However, he does need to improve his basic speed. His 10K and half-marathon times are simply not fast enough. A two minute improvement over the half-marathon distance, together with sufficient endurance work, could see a five minute improvement in his marathon time.

Nigel is enthusiastic and willing to train as much as he needs, but if anything, has overtrained in the past. He still needs to do the hard work but must ensure he has more easy days and rest in his schedule.

He also needs to work on his pace judgement. I observed Nigel on a training session, and he set off far too quickly. Pace judgement is vital for a good marathon. The other problem is injury. In recent months he has missed lots of training due to a groin injury and it keeps recurring after he returns from a rest.


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Introducing the first member of our Lucozade Sport Super Six… Nigel (aka BellyBoyBarnes).

Nigel’s goal is to run sub-3:00. He’s already clocked 3:02 and 3:04 (twice) in the past, but despite training harder and harder, he’s not yet broken the elusive three-hour barrier.

Nigel will be using our sub-3:00 Garmin-ready schedule (devised by former London Marathon winner Mike Gratton) as a basis for his training and will be mentored by Steve Smythe directly on this thread (starting January 5).

He’ll be posting his training progress on a regular basis, and feedback the fuel and hydration advice given to him by the team at Lucozade Sport so make sure you check back regularly to find out how he gets on.

You can read more about Nigel’s running background and goals by clicking on the article link at the top of the thread.

Good luck Nigel!


Posted: 22/12/2008 at 17:18

The very best of luck to you Nigel!

As a former Super Six (Great North Run 2008) I know first hand how great the help and support of the Lucozade/RW team are. Together with Steve and Liz you have the best people to help you achieve your goal.

I will be following your progress closely as I share your goal - although I will hopefully achieve mine a week earlier at the Lochaber Marathon.

Congrats and once again - all the best. 


Posted: 22/12/2008 at 17:47

Hooray!  Go BellyBoy!


Posted: 22/12/2008 at 20:07

Good luck Belly Boy Barns. I'll help you with the long runs. You can do a few with me and Spikey. Hope to be with you when you go sub 3.
Posted: 22/12/2008 at 20:08

hi saintjason

thanks 4 your support and i hope u reach your goal with the lochaber marathon

thank nigel


Posted: 22/12/2008 at 20:37

hi chris

i was going 2 have a chat with u about the scehdule

i think it wil be good for both of us and anyone else who would like 2 follow this

i have not checked yet but i believe we should cut down on milage and do more quality work

e g shorter faster races


Posted: 22/12/2008 at 20:47

  Hello Belly boy Barnes

 Good luck for your sub 3, I will be following your schedule with great interest, i am doing the edinburgh in May and hopefully going for a sub 3. Who will be putting your programme together? How mant miles are running at the moment?

Cheers

Z


Posted: 22/12/2008 at 21:14

  Hello Belly boy Barnes

 Good luck for your sub 3, I will be following your schedule with great interest, i am doing the edinburgh in May and hopefully going for a sub 3. Who will be putting your programme together? How many miles are you running at the moment?

Cheers

Z


Posted: 22/12/2008 at 21:17

Good luck fellow lucky winner!
Posted: 22/12/2008 at 21:18

Hi zenith

thank for your support

i believe that we are following the mike gratton sub 3 hour schedule

at the moment im doing very little in milage i run the new york marathon and pick up an injury

at one stage this year i was running 100 mile a week but ive been told to concentrate more on my speed rather than distance

im on 1:23 for the half marathon ive been told i need 1:21 which would make things a lot easier

i done edinbough 2008 it gets very windy on the beach frount finished with 3:04

all the best with your training thank

nigel 


Posted: 22/12/2008 at 21:49

It's all go !


Posted: 23/12/2008 at 00:49

good luck............your representing RW Wales now
Posted: 23/12/2008 at 09:42

  Hi Nigel

  I have checked the schedule and it looks that you are going to half your mileage, should be interesting for you

Z


Posted: 23/12/2008 at 10:47

 hello zenith

yes the milage is very interesting what it means is that i will have more rest

my speed is a problem at the moment im on 39.30 for 10 k ive got 2 bring that down to 37.30

nigel


Posted: 23/12/2008 at 11:48

hi welsh alex and

seren nos yn canu

thanks for your support guys

nigel


Posted: 23/12/2008 at 11:51

best of luck with it  - sub 3 is yours!
Posted: 23/12/2008 at 12:30

Good luck- I'll be watching closely, to bring my 3:02 down to the sub-3 as well. That's the plan, anyhow!

I'm not sure about Steve's thoughts on your half marathon current pb. Past comments, including those on the RW Schedules, suggest a sub 1:23 (and sub 38 10k) as the right sort of level for a sub-3 marathon. If we need to be able to bang out a 1:21 half then I'm sunk...
Posted: 23/12/2008 at 13:10

hi phil thanks for support

we ve prob been racing against each other in past and future as im only down the road in port talbot  which club u with as i run sometimes around the village near fords

thanks again phil 


Posted: 23/12/2008 at 13:12

hi ex-pat scot

its interesting checking your 5 - 10 k and half marathon times against mine i ve never done sub 39 for 10 k but jet ive done 1:23 and 1:24 for the half marathon keep in touch and post your times

thanks for your support

nigel


Posted: 23/12/2008 at 13:25

Belly Boy, when do you plan to start your training? Myself and the lads are starting on New years day. Steve Rees is my new coach.
Posted: 23/12/2008 at 13:26

Hi Chris

ASAP - I'll be down tonight on my bike for a chat. Do u fancy following the sub 3 hour training schedule with me as your not far off it yourself?

Check them out as it will give u more rest time.

Cheers

Nigel 


Posted: 23/12/2008 at 13:41

I looked into it last year mate, and didn't think it was the one for me. I have a training plan from Steve, I'm going to give that a go. But good luck with it, hope it works for you. Why don't you run down tonight? we are going for a slow run. Apparently the Christmas lights run about 10 mile.
Posted: 23/12/2008 at 13:53

Hi Nigel

I'm with brackla, but you probably won't see me in races - far too slow for that!!

am aiming for sub 3-30 in next years marathon attempt - not sure where yet - got 3-33 in amsterdam this year, so its doable!


Posted: 23/12/2008 at 14:18

If you want more info on my racing / training (yes, I know: it's all "me me me") then have a look on Fetch here

http://www.fetcheveryone.com/userprofile.php?id=17554

I am hoping to get the half M down a fair bit at January's Brass Monkey, but I'm pretty sure I won't be sub 1:25 and into your domain just yet!


What races have you scheduled in the preparation for FLM?
Posted: 23/12/2008 at 14:26

hi phil

thats still good keep training and racing it will soon come down

i see your boys some times on a thursday evening when im on my break in work. we do run past u when u meeting the boys perhaps one day i ll stop and train with u boys

thanks phil


Posted: 23/12/2008 at 14:28

hi ex pat

ive not any set up jet but will be doing half marathon in march perhaps llanelli


Posted: 23/12/2008 at 14:32

bbb what did i say you need more rest and got to do more 10k and 1/2 .if you are loking for 37.30 on 10k i am your man .i am going for that time in 2009 i am on 38.15 now and 1.21 for 1/2 you will do that i am on 1.22.53 so 1.21 is on i will help you if i can.

all the best bbb son you can do this its in your blood


Posted: 23/12/2008 at 14:56

Good Luck Dad!

Im Sure You'll Do It

Glenn

Posted: 23/12/2008 at 15:13

How cool is that. A family fan club as well. Excellent.

Glenn, I had a little run with your Dad when we all met up. If he listens to our coach then he'll blast that 3 hour target, no problems.


Posted: 23/12/2008 at 15:17

Im Sure He Will
Posted: 23/12/2008 at 15:21

HI fordman

Thanks for the support mate

i would love 2 have your speed but it is a big ask

i will try my hardest u know that,and i will do what ever it takes 2 reach my goal

have u seen the sub 3 schedule it seems very interesting, less milage,this should also help the boys in the club who are thinking about doing  any of the marathons


Posted: 23/12/2008 at 16:14

I must admit to be being a bit daunted by your 100 miles p/w training from earlier this year. I've never exceeded 60m/p/w and the focussing on the speed was the key to taking over 6 1/2 minutes off my 1/2 time down to 1:20:19 back in October. My 10k time is rubbish at a shade over 38 minutes and my 5k time isn't worth talking about either... I definitely favour the longer stuff but am more aware than ever that the faster stuff is the key to improving the longer stuff.

I hope this also unlocks the door for you to push on... interesting months ahead for a good few of us it seems.
Posted: 23/12/2008 at 16:29

hi saint

yes u are right

i will be concentrating more on my speed from now.my head is very strong when it comes 2 distance i do lack speed big time

my idea of me doing loads of mile was that when i do the marathon it would be easy to run hense time get faster.

that all changes 4 this one ill be giving it a good go  

cheers saint


Posted: 23/12/2008 at 16:40

Hi BBB

Good luck in the 3hr quest .  I will be following your progress as it is my next target and your 10K is pretty much the same as mine.


Posted: 23/12/2008 at 18:48

Yup, good luck BBB.

I will be watching what is going on, I am down to 1:24 for a half and 38:50 for a 10k recently although they were both on easy courses. Going to try to get as close to 3 as I can. Last year I peaked at about 86 miles and did 3:15 carving half an hour off my previous pb

It's the RW Sub 3 schelule you will be following then ?


Posted: 23/12/2008 at 19:36

Hi BBB, all the best with the training.Llanelli half is a superb warm up for FLM, superb run with good pb prospects, as long as it's not to windy!  1;21 would be some time to achieve mind , all the best with the training.

  Bloooooooebiiiiirds!
 


Posted: 23/12/2008 at 20:11

nigel,

when i think of how many 1000s of miles you'll run between now and april it makes me almost glad that I am built for lesser things. 

 how's the training going - are you managing to slow down and not overdo it? 

 dan 


Posted: 24/12/2008 at 10:09

Hi BBB

  So the secret is out!  Don't forget I'm watching .  All this talk of training, just keep a cool head and listen to your body, you have the miles, despite the break you've had, my only concern is that there is no rest day in your training schedule, have a chat to your coach about this, at least for the start of the progamme for a couple of weeks.

Great to have the family onside, and a lot of other support I see.  It is not just speed work you need to do, as I'm sure you'll find in the programme and with your coach, it is speed-endurance training, as you need to maintain the speed for longer periods.  Like me, built for distance but we do need to work on short and fast too which is far to easy to ignore.  Also easier to get good results by doing this with someone, to push each other, so take up the offers you've had off some of the fast guys above, but when your body tells you it is ready to add the intensity, don't worry if it isn't exactly what the programme says for now, it is a guide which can be adjusted when needed, it is not set in stone - that doesn't mean you can be lazy mind and not do things if it's raining!  But having spoken I know you are focused and commited and am sure you will make your target and will do all in my power to make sure you do.

By the way, by the time April comes you will have to change your name!  You won't be Belly boy anymore!  Ex-belly boy Barnes perhaps?

Enjoy Christmas, see you soon,

  Mike


Posted: 24/12/2008 at 10:51

Mike, he will always be Belly boy to us in the club.

BBB, how was you after your bike ride last night? Myself and the Bomber got 32 miles of running in in the last two days. So much for an easy month.

Have a great Christmas. are you racing with us on boxing day?


Posted: 24/12/2008 at 15:12

Thanks to all you guys - the support I've had to date is amazing.

Welsh Alex  - hope you get over your injury soon, it is the RW Mike Gratton sub 3 training schedule I'll be following.  It's good to know that others are going for the same goals. 

Mike (Osteopath extraordinaire!) I know I need to listen to my body, I'm sure I'll be speaking to you lots over the coming months!

Dan I've not done too much of late - Mike's been working hard to get me back in shape - I hope to start the training schedule very soon. 

Chris I can't race boxing day - my boy's going on a skiing trip with the school and I have to go see him off . Will be thinking of you all - I'll have an extra glass of wine for you Christmas night!

Merry Christmas

Nigel


Posted: 24/12/2008 at 15:53

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