Reader To Reader: Go Faster
Can a slow runner become a fast runner through sheer graft - or is speed in your genes?
Are fast marathoners a breed apart, or can the rest of us be as fast if we work hard enough?
"Are fast runners naturally fast, or can you teach yourself to be fast, through pure dedication and training? I'm a long way off a 3:15 marathon, but with a few years of hard training would this be possible?" – I Will Do It!
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It's a mixture of fast genes and hard work
It's a mixture of genetics and hard work. There's obviously a limit to how good a runner you can be. Some people are "natural runners" and can run jaw-dropping times with minimal training, while others put in vast amounts of training and end up running pretty average times. The only way you'll find out how much talent you have is by trying. I'd heartily recommend it: one of the great joys of running is pushing yourself and seeing just how good you can be. – Silver shadow
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For mere mortals, it's about training and technique
For the majority of people, genetics only plays a minor part. The major areas that can lead to fast running are: 1. Training approach (sensible schedules, nutrition, rest etc), 2. Realistic objectives, personal commitment, consistency, positive attitude, discipline etc, 3. Running style and technique, which anyone can learn. The importance of trained skills is hardly ever mentioned. – nrg-b
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Don't focus on natural limits – train and you'll get faster
As far I'm aware no-one has ever produced a definitive answer to this question. There's no clear way to measure what makes someone 'naturally fast', because fast-twitch muscle fibres will not in themselves make someone a fast runner. The one thing that is consistently proven to improve fitness (and speed) is training. Generally the more you train the better you get. Less is NOT more! Don't get worked up about what your limits may or may not be. Try to train (run) as much as you can. Work out how much you can fit in and do it well, stick with it and be patient. Running will get easier and your times will get quicker. – bazza
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Hard work outweighs genes – only just
Speed is relative: training maximises whatever talent is there. Some people are naturally faster in the same way that some can naturally jump higher or are good at maths or languages. However, an untrained runner with bags of ability could be beaten by a hard worker with less ability. – amadeus
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It's nature plus training – here's why
Olympic sprinters have been shown to possess about 80 per cent fast-twitch muscle fibres, while those who excel in marathons tend to have have 80 per cent slow-twitch fibres. But at the same time, there's some evidence that human skeletal muscle switches fibre types from "fast" to "slow" due to training. But how's a beginner to know which race length suits their biology best? Probably a case of experimenting with different distances. I think I'm better suited to shorter races. I did some sprints with my (elite) running pal, and she was surprised by my speed – but I found my first half marathon very hard. – Namaste
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Look inside your muscles
You could always have a muscle biopsy to assess your proportion of slow-twitch type-A and fast-twitch type-B muscle fibres. Doesn't sound like a barrel of laughs though. – PhilPub
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Training boosts speed – but you have a natural limit
With a lot of hard training I went from running a 2-hour half marathon to being able to run a 1:15 half and a 2:41 marathon. But because I didn’t have the genetic build that some of my club mates and training partners had, that was my limit. – Grendel
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Blaming genes is a cop-out
I like to tell myself that it's all about genetic make-up when I'm struggling to get my times down, but that's utter rubbish. At the very highest level of elite running it's about genetics, but for the rest of us it's about hard work, determination and a willingness to make sacrifices. – Pico
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Experiment with distances
Play around with distances, find what you're naturally better at, and work damned hard at it. – Little lizard
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Remind your body how it feels to sprint
I believe that training slow makes you a slow runner. There are times when you have to put the effort into short sharp runs and go quicker than you would normally, and this educates your mind, your lungs and your muscles. It reminds them what it felt like to be 10 years younger! – johnsten
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Bodyweight plays a big role
Some of us are more predisposed to fast running, but far more likely to make someone naturally slow is poor diet and/or excess weight. The lighter you are the easier it is to run fast (to a point of course), and even a few pounds makes a difference. – Jason X
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Short legs needn't slow you down
Size certainly doesn't matter - a friend of mine is 4'8" and she runs 8 min miles. My OH who runs 6.5-7 min miles was humbled recently when a tiny female trotted past him up hill on a race, and he never saw her again. It's a great leveller, running! – Siance
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It says that Olympic sprinters have been shown to possess about 80 percent fast twitch fibers while those who excel in marathons tend to have have 80 percent slow twitch fibers. http://sportsmedicine.about.com/cs/exercisephysiology/a/aa080901a.htm At the same time though there is some evidence showing that human skeletal muscle switches fiber types from "fast" to "slow" due to training. For a beginner to know which race length suits their biology the best and gives them the best chance of getting decent times is it just a case of experimenting with different distances? I did some sprints with my (elite) running pal who was positively surprised considering I've not run that long. She thinks I may be better suited to short fast races? I found my first half very hard and feel I have much more of a chance to improve my 10k times? Is it just a cop out or could it be that there are some race lengths that suit my genetics better than others?
Posted: 28/03/2007 at 11:14
If you start to put together a few race results and PBs over different distances, you can then compare the numbers against age-adjusted tables for performance. Hope this works... http://www.runningforfitness.org/calc/agtimes.php
Posted: 28/03/2007 at 11:33
Interesting thread this, as I often tell myself that it's all about genetic make-up when I'm struggling to get my times down, but that's utter rubbish - ok, at the very highest level it's about genetics, but in reality it's about hard work, determination, and a willingness to make sacrifices.
I started running 5k/10k/half-marathon races about 5 years ago and posted around 21min/45min/1h45m for each, beating a mate of mine at all three distances. In the past 2-3 years, however, my mate has upped his training to a ridiculous level, to the point where he now posts 17min/35min/1h18m and competes in triathlons regularly. My own training has remained the same: train 3 to 4 times per week for about 3 months, then have 2-3 months off before starting up again, whilst my food intake is still over the top. Guess what? My times have not improved!
I'm not saying that I could post times as quick as my mate, but I do think (know?) that if I'd trained as hard as he had over the past couple of years I would now be going sub-1.30 for half-marathons. I'd enjoy that, but I must prefer the balance that I have at present otherwise I'd be out there training now.
Posted: 29/03/2007 at 23:21
Ok, Bazza, I take your point. So my next question is what is the best form of speed training?
If say you would like to be a sub 40min 10k man, then do you start my trying to run 5.50 min miles in half mile reps with recovery until you can run 10k.
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Do you try to run faster than that? Say 5.30min miles?
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Train for distance with moderate speed training? Say 6min miles?
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Train for speed all the time whilst increasing distance? – every run at 5.30min miles?
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Hill training and if so, which type, run up as fast as you can and jog back down. Speed v's distance v’s incline? Big short hills? Big long hills? Mountain Goat Hills?
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Fartlek?? – On a flat road (PB’s are won on the flat?) On hills or on a mixture?
The list seems to go on.
I plan on developing a strategy and then trying it for a 12 week period to see what difference can be made based on a 10k distance. I have plenty of hills near my, some very large, and I have some good flat so I can choose the right one.
I note that Grendel said that he didn’t have the genetic build of some fellow club mates? So what is the right build? Ok, I know that the lighter the better, but some under weight people struggle also?
How important is upper body strength?
Some have said read a couple of books and learn to run properly? Can you run in the wrong way? Surely, proper running is when it feels natural to you!!
Posted: 30/03/2007 at 12:14
I think it depends on a number of factors such as: 1. Body type - ectomorph (long/skinny, doesn't put on fat/muscle easily); mesomorph (powerful, puts on muscle easily) and endomorph (naturally tubbier, puts on fat easily, hard to put on muscle). 2.% of fast and slow twitch fibres - will depend on whether you'll excel more at marathon or shorter faster races 3. Time of life you start training 4. Time and commitment available to train 5. Weight you're carrying
Even if genetics are against you though, you can still train hard and reach your peak.
For example, at 34 yrs I started running, was a short tumpy endomorphic 5'4" size 14 even though I'd kept fit for years, but never ran. Started off running/staggering 2 milers, with a walk break in between averaging 11 min/mile.
I built it up just by slowly increasing runs, two years on ran a half mara at 2 hrs, the following year the same at 1.45. The following year I did my first mara at 3.58 followed by another 6 months later at 3.41 and this year am looking to get 3.30. Only now have I added speedwork and hillwork to my training. Oh, and another upside is, I've gone down to a size 10, I've not been that size since 12 years old!
Due to my age, now being 38, I don't think I'll ever get below 3.15, what with my age creeping up on me. And I find that I'm naturally better at marathons, not so good at the shorter faster races. So I've listened to what I believe is by genetic capability and that is what I'm going to work on.
I think the moral of the story is to play around, find what you're naturally better at and work damned hard at it. Hopefully you can find the time to do so, I'm lucky as we've got no children and I can dedicate time and effort to it.
Good luck!
Posted: 02/04/2007 at 08:36
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