Hi guys. Great thread- I just skimmed through in last hour. Captures well the sad position I have reached where I no longer have any belief, and little interest, in the winners of endurance events. I am much more interested in the exploits of those who juggle mediocre talent with life, families and jobs and knock out a decent marathon once or twice a year.
For a long time I was muddled up with the rights and wrongs of drug taking/ boundaries etc. My simple framework to make sense of this is to remember that sport is kind of pointless, other than we all love heroes who take a great talent combined with a great work ethic and then deliver a great competitive performance on a big stage against the best in the world. If behind this and in total infringement of the rules needles, TUEs, blood bags in Spain, etc are employed, as well as inevitable and prolonged lying and lawyers, then in am no longer interested. More or less all of the rules are arbitrary, so either follow them all or don't participate. If gaining a 5-10% advantage through an elaborate drug program is somehow ok, then maybe those who don't want that route can just move their blocks 5-10m further up the 100m track.
So for me what we now have with athletics (and cyclying) is a sport on the same standing as professional wrestling. I am not sure how it recovers any integrity, and as such it is actually possible that in the next 10-20 years it will just disappear all together.
I will leave you all to get on with your discussion.
Charlie. Thanks for sharing. Interesting study- hope the data is useful for you. I do suspect at a population level folks like you may have diet and exercise patterns so extreme as to be mostly confounding to the study.
Charlie. Just out of curiosity, who is running this study that you are part of? And did they specifically recruit a cohort of "athletes" or are you being mixed up with all comers as part of the analysis?
Steve. I have been a fairly frequent lurker here recently and recall a few of your recent posts. There does seem to be a strong theme of lost direction. Also I may be imagining it but is overtraining an issue?
I had a good run (by my standards) in London this year at age 45, having got back to where I had been 5 years before. I had a two or three years of persistent niggly injuries. Got over it with consistent regular running and massive amounts of strengthening work. I must confess I now actually enjoy the latter, though it took a long time to be able to say that. I now realise how narrow and limited running is for overall "fitness", particularly when you are the wrong side of 40.
So don't be afraid to take a big change in your exercise structure for a while. Try some different things, as well as regular (but not obsessive) running. And reset your goals. One of which should be very long term. Better to do this than get totally lost to exercise.
Just having a look at london results and noted that 4 runners managed to judge their pace to perfection to finish in 2:59:59, while one gentleman has only a modest amount of work to do to improve on his 3:00:00 to turn failure into success.