I also missed out on the resolution of the nature vs nurture common sense vs rocket science debate (50/50, 90/10 in my humble) - was gonna pick up on a point made by teh Didsmeister - Coe and Ovett came to be the world's best off totally different training methodologies. Does that prove that you reach your potential regardless of what training philosophy you follow or that to be the very best you have to tailor-make your training to your own ability/needs?
Zattu/PP - similar sort of situation for me. Should really have bagged the sub 2.45 by now but pb is still 2.48. Based on that that I don't know if I should risk 2.40 pace, but my recent HM would suggest that that should be the least of my aims.....ponder, ponder. Either way, won't be making any attempt to hang on to you two in the early miles.
Dan A - Empathy at its finest. Dartboard with Sue Barker on next year?
Andy - nice 10k pb, 35min feels like one of those important barriers.
Speaking of Gobi o'clock - anyone heard from the great man recently? Still running marathons in tunnels?
Nice run Jools - sparrowfart? Am i missing something? Or are we just inserting random words in our posts these days?
Sorry for the absence from thread - wasn't Johnny one-posting..... we lost our internet connection at home for a week (dodgy connection) and I can't access this site at work so it was no dice.
PP - you seem to be flying along. What's your mara pb these days? Sounds like we do a very similar midweek mara pace session - I'm also trying to build it up from 10 to around 14 over the coming months.
Zattu - sorry, never replied to your post from ages back. Sounds like 2.30 is a bit of a barrier at the moment - presume that's the target for Spring mara? I'll be joining you at Wokingham, though no idea yet whether it'll be a pb attempt or a mara pace run.
Njord (also from wayyyyy back) - sorry to hear about Njordette and that very annoying sounding guy. Glad things have improved since then. See you on the VLM start-line and in the Red Lion after....
Welcome CaroT.... and to whoever it was that was talking about trying to break the 80min HM barrier..... that one held me up for two years..... ran between 80 and 81 about 6 times before finally breaking through. The last one was 80.00 too - that hurt like a paper cut on the eye-ball I can tell thee.
Decent week's training for me, but holding back a touch at the moment with January peak avoidance very much in mind.
Dids - "long distance training is such a simple thing why dont people just get on and do it." hmmmm. I agree that in the early stages - for say 90% of the improvement curve that's true. Just running lots and following a tried and tested plan will get you a long way. And For you maybe it has got you all the way - but it sounds like you went fairly quickly into running good marathons relative to your other times - others (and I am one) really struggle - witness the whopping great hm to Mara differentials a while back. Now - it is possible that we are not built for maras and you are. But is it not also possible that the standard mike g training progs don't quite work for everyone? I am certainly struggling to explain the fact that my mara and hm times did not improve when I kept the structure of training the same (and followed a standard plan) but went from 55 to 75 mpw, yet they are now improving off 45 mpw. That doesn't imply a simple relationship between training and success to me (at least not in that final 10%).
Anyway I am interested by the fact that you seem to be the opposite kind of outlier to me. Whereas I have never run a decent Mara but lots of comparatively faster halves and 10ks - you appear to be the opposite.
What does a typical dids training week look like (pre-sharpening phase)?