Mild? Ok, probably best looking towards the Saucony Guide, Brooks Ravenna, Mizuno Wave Inspire. I was thinking of the J-33 more for the shorter stuff, if you're wanting a mileage shoe then I would agree it is too racey.
Brooks are in the middle of changing the Adrenaline (the 13 was very stable, the 14 significantly less stable, and the 15 appears to be midway between the two) so I would probably recommend staying away from it. The gel in Brooks brand is excellent however.
Yeah too much stability will not help - supination (lack of movement in the foot) is just as bad. Best way to look at it I think is that you want a natural amount of movement in the foot, you do not want to totally eliminate pronation.
The analogy I often use is that pronation is like sugar, it's ok to have some but not too much.
In other news, 18:48 & 1st at Hazlehead parkrun this morning. Not sure who stole my running legs as it was utterly grim, and I threw up last night's alcohol at the end. Being realistic about Abbey Dash tomorrow, it is not going to be a spectacular time so I am just going to enjoy myself.
DT, the Saucony Omni works very similarly to the 2000 from experience. If you fancy a lighter shoe, the Asics Super-J 33 is surprisingly supportive although it does not look like it. Works with the sub-talor joint so does not look anything like a traditional stability shoe. Could maybe look at the Boost Sequence 7 too.
Mr V, no real plan yet, just something I am pondering. Something like starting off base with 13M in 1:45 or similar easy pace, then over training periods increasing the pace until it's done in 1:35 or slightly quicker. For easy runs it would be more a case of picking it up in the last few miles, as long as it did not compromise other sessions.
It's something a few coaches subscribe to, in order to help stamina from races as short at 1500m - Joe Rubio & Reneto Canova both use it (Canova more for marathoners but I think the principles can still be pertinent for shorter distances). Dan, was it my imagination or did you say after London no more marathons
I am down in Nice right now, CS is running Nice-Cannes marathon on Sunday so have been running up and down the Riveria. All very nice and at 20 degrees very welcome in November!
Speaking of CS, a few of you have seen but for those I am not FB friends with, or are not on Fetch, we got engaged on Monday
Afternoon all - have disappeared recently as Amsterdam really went south & decided I needed a break for a while.
Something was clearly not right on the day as my usual HM heart rate is 170bpm, yet after a few K I was struggling to get below 180bpm and hit 187bpm after 10k. Following on from that I felt dreadful & ran the last few miles almost a minute per mile slower than the first few.
FWIW I ran 1:23:06 - which is hardly a time to be sniffed at, but was more than 6 minutes off what I was hoping. The full sob story is on Garmin Connect.
Since then I've really taken it easy & tried to get some motivation back - didn't run for 4 days & ran twice in about a week and a half. On holiday in France right now and am starting to get some consistency back, but have left the Garmin at home since Amsterdam which is just allowing me to run without any constraints.
Doing Abbey Dash next weekend but I suspect it will not be anything spectacular. Honestly I am looking forward to enjoying it without any pressure & seeing a few of the thread members (TR & Mr V are doing it I believe?). Once that's done I'm going to have a bit of time focusing on building to a handful of indoor races (despite Amsterdam not going well the mileage will not have hurt me at all) then going towards summer 2015 & seeing if I can crack a good 1500/3000.
I am noticing from read backs we are getting into that stage of the year now where everyone hunkers down to put the miles in over the winter period. Given I am now starting to look towards longer distances to compete at (relatively, as I am a bit tired of the 800m now) stamina-building and strength are key components of this period.
The thread has had lengthy discussions in the past about easy run pace, and long runs and now pace fits into these. A number of the thread have subscribed to the "MP + 25%" philosophy of easy run pace (myself included) to promote endurance benefits and also ensure as much mileage as possible can be done without burning out.
As I get more and more interested in the Canova philosophy of doing faster-paced mileage at certain periods, my question is if anyone has experimented with faster easy runs (be that all or some of them) and if they have have any comments on it at all. My feeling is that - if done correctly - it can produce excellent stamina-based benefits for all distances.
I've taken on some more responsibilities within the company I work for, which has meant I've got less free time than I used to - still running well but meant the forum was the first thing to go!
Been spying some good results, Bob with a really good 800 a little while ago after a mile race (correct me if I'm wrong), some good fast-twichers there I think. Get yourself down to a 400! My skim read of the thread occasionally picked out TR's new 10k pb - well done! - Mr V grinding out a really positive GNR result despite feeling below-par and DT getting some strong training in despite a few niggles.
For me, while running has been good we had a real tragedy 2 weeks ago, when a clubmate (Neil Jaffrey) was knocked off his bike & killed on a Sunday morning. The whole running community up here has really banded together after this and supported each other. I think all the clubs have become a lot closer. I knew Neil reasonably well, had some great races against him over the Proms 3k series and he popped into my place of work a fair bit as well. So his passing was quite upsetting on a personal level.
The weekend after I ran Stirling 10k, with the legs feeling like hell after a 1:20:09 Half the week before (Scottish Half Marathon which was a good 4-500m long despite what the organisers said to the contrary). I ended up running 35:28 which is just 2 sec slower than my PB, and one of my best races of the year. Following on from a spite of PBs the day before at Crathes half and at Stirling I think the spirit of Neil was with us that weekend.
Week after ran 17:57 for the new Hazlehead parkrun, solo for 2nd on a route which is roughly 45s slower than a flat course. HR just slightly above 10k HR which was a good sign (felt difficult solo though!). Overall last few weeks have averaged 65-70mpw with a big focus on pushing LT from above and below.
5.5M on Tuesday @ HM intensity (~170bpm), which felt sustainable so I suspect I am starting to peak now (pace was ~ 77:00 pace). Still pumping the miles in so hopefully with a taper things will come together. Not really hopefuly of that sub-75 now unless the taper really pulls things together, but sub-77 is a realistic possibility.
Running Paris-Versailles tomorrow which is about 16k (it's more about the route rather than the distance if you follow). Very net uphill! Will be happy running sub-6:00/m.