Dave get over yourself, if people want to have a discussion about the places then they can have it. If people want to ask a "freedom of information" type question to an organsation then they can.
After all in the UK we are meant to live in a country that allows freedom of speech, as long as its not promoting hate.
If you don't like this type of thread and people asking the question and debating the ballot for London or any other marathon, then why reply.
For me its the one Major marathon that at the moment I can afford to travel to and take part in. the other Major's are a bit out for me just now. yes there are other marathon's but some people really do prefer London and would like to take part.
I am lucky I have got in before and I am in next year. But there are others who aren't as lucky and don't want to ask people for money to the tune of £2500.
Agree with people need to do their homework with what charity they pick or run for. I pick a smaller charity that has started following the route of the bigger ones but only in Scotland. They still don't tell people we will give you a place but you need to raise ex-amount.
I tried to raise 1000 for them doing the Berlin Marathon in 2012 and only got to about 824 quid. I went down to do my monthy visit with them and the people in the home and explained to them I was a little short on my target and would they like me to keep the event running longer. They told me that they where more than happy with what I had already raised for them and to take pressure from myself they would be happy to settle for what I had raised so far.
they knew I had raised money before, helped out at the venue and supported other people fundraising for them. So felt more grateful that I had done the work I had than be greedy.
Every October is annoying when people get knocked back from London. And people should no get on their high horse either going against charity places or people bemoaning they didn't get a place.
If VLM did become more open on how many places are allocated to each group in the public ballot and a full breakdown, then less people might moan about it.
I think if VLM where a little bit more open with the allocation of places, people might understand more.
I have been rejected in the ballot 6 times that I have applied out the past 7 years. But due to being in a small running club a few years back I got a place. a couple of years later the person who got the place pulled out before he sent his form away, and I was the only one who wanted that place so got it again.
Moved to a bigger running club and one of the rules is when it comes to a ballot you need to show your rejection letter to prove you made an attempt to get in to the race in the first place. Counting 2014 I have managed to get their place twice now. So out of the rejections I have still managed to get in 4 times.
What annoyed me was someone I know who can do half marthons quicker than me, applied this year for VLM and put something silly down like 6:30 finishing time. Guess what he got in at the first attempt, I put the time I want to run it in and got the KB again. If VLM told you for example out of 6000 runners who put 3:15 we allocated 1000 places. That would let people understand how they work out the places. again it would open it up to abuse.
The biggest lesson I learnt this year and was stupid to not notice it before. If 5000 runners tick the box saying if they don't get in they are happy to donate the money to charity for the loosers jacket. Then what organisation is going to knock back an easy 175k plus for the charity fund. Again if VLM where open and said once people got knocked back from the ballot we seperated the box tickers and out of the 5000 of them we gave a 2nd chance to that group and 1000 people got in. then people would understand better.
If they are open then people might stop moaning about the ballot every year.
Starting my program today for London. Previously 3:27 @2012. But 2013 finally got me my sub 40 for 10k and sub 1:30 for half. I know 13mins off my on at marathon is a lot. But it's really only 30-40 secs a mile I need to find.
X-C is finished until the nationals in Feb so it's head down for a winter of hard hard work. Any advice hints will be warmly received.