Charlie - don't worry about it, suck it up and just run slowly for a couple of days, your legs will soon feel better and it will be better for you than taking time off.
Some awesome training going on, Lev, Dachs, Toro, Bufo, Padams, Jools, Jimbob, DrD, TR, apologies to those I've missed out. Sure SL will have a suitably smashed BAC session in a few hours.
BigW - welcome, good advice from others, 26.2M is a long way so you need to do enough long runs backed up with midweek 12-15s but I'm another in the "run most of the long ones slowly" camp. 90-120s per mile slower than MP is good.
Tough week so far for me, last week was OK, did 90 miles and a little bit of quicker running which hurt my legs but they seem stronger now. Both children were ill over the weekend and I got thoroughly covered in vomit which has hit my running this week. I'm on 2 runs, 9miles, very little food so far this week and will be working late tonight so no chance to run. 6 of those miles were this morning and felt a lot better than the last few days so hopefully the bug is gone and I can get back to proper training from tomorrow. I will not be posting any 34min 10k tempos any time soon (ever probably!).
PP - a mate of mine paced at Brighton (evenly) and said that he started off with a group of 30 or so runners. In the first few miles most of them were complaining (some quite vociferously) that he was going too slowly. By the end all the moaners had dropped back as they couldn't hold his "slow" even pace. Only two people stuck with it the whole way round. He said it was good fun as even the two successful ones needed quite a lot of encouragement in the last few miles and they were both incredibly grateful. So, agree that even splits are the way forward, ignore any moans at the beginning, enjoy it and keep mentioning how much you like to have a few pints of *insert favourite beer here* after a marathon but have left your wallet at home...
Toro - great session(s). Flailing.
TR - I'm stunned you can do those big sessions on your own at the crack of dawn, very impressed. Is your 2 mile strip of road lit or are you under headtorch?
PiMan - be careful, taking that many drugs doesn't sound healthy. Sounds like your ski trip must have been fun if your ribs feel like that though.
Loads more good training, TT, Al, JH1, Padams, SL (great pace), Charlie, DrDave (you should be looking at least sub 2.45 if not sub 2.40), ST, HR, OS, Postie, Wardi, Jimbob, AW, I got tired just typing all that.
Finding the food talk quite amusing. Dids, you seem slightly confused in your Point 1. Still not sure the porridge only diet is going to catch on. Point 2 makes much more sense although you don't even need to eat a "normal" meal the night before. I know I've argued in the past in favour of excessive carb loading but I find this low carb stuff pretty interesting now and personally feel that if nothing else it makes you feel more alert and awake and energetic during the day. There are downsides to it - it's more expensive, breakfast takes longer to prepare, if everyone did it then we probably wouldn't be able to produce enough food to feed the global population (quite a biggie) - and it's not for everyone but the world's more interesting when there are different options. How good it is for running training I don't know, I'm still experimenting on myself with it, but from results so far I'm not giving up on it yet.
6 + 12 for me yesterday, have decided that I need to do a bit of quicker running in with the easy stuff now so did the 12 as a fartlek in the wind and pouring rain. Enjoyed running a bit faster, tried to be quite random with the speeds / distances of the efforts and recoveries and averaged 6.30 pace for the run. Aerobically it was good but legs hurt for the first time in weeks so hopefully they'll adapt and the faster stuff will improve quickly. 6 this morning and 16 planned for later.
I fuel all my morning runs on blind optimism at the moment. Worked fine for 22M on Sunday. Wish I could do commuting doubles but my commute has changed from zero to 35 miles and as my name's not Dan I don't fancy running that. Instead it's the joys of creeping out of the house while everyone else is asleep and getting a cheeky 6 in before breakfast. Club nights on Tuesdays and Thursdays have been helping to get the miles in as I did 12 on Tuesday and 16 on Thursday last week but 8 miles of each was with the club so a bit before / after on my own and it passes really quickly.
Bloody hell, some top long runs by pretty much everyone this weekend! Well done to CW, Wardi, SL, Postie, HR, Al, CD, JH1, CC2, Luke, TR,Nichs2, Old No7, ST, Jimbob, PiMan, Bufo. Hope I didn't miss anyone off.
Happy birthday Charlie for Saturday.
DanA - showing the rest of us how to do a proper long run again, hope the recovery goes well.
PP and Jools - decent training too as you increase the running miles (although PP has been quite the ergomaniac recently with some impressive rowing feats).
Doubles - good idea for me, I run the morning one slowly and especially at the moment have no sweating issues so can wear the same top again for the evening one. Forcing yourself to do a run when you really shouldn't isn't a good idea though so it's a case of knowing your body well enough to make that judgement call.
HR - think you may have misunderstood on the food. Eating a healthy balanced diet is a good idea. Just positing that what constitutes "balanced" may be different to conventional wisdom. A lot of endurance training is based on promoting fat burning so it's not a quantum leap in possibility that getting your body used to this through what you eat could be beneficial also. Being lighter also helps as long as you have the energy for running. PP has hit the nail on the head with his response to your question about carrot cake (as for other foods). Cook your own cake and it will be far tastier and better for you than buying some heavily processed loveliness from a supermarket / coffee shop / chicken based restaurant. One slice of Costa's famously good carrot cake contains 62g of sugar (15.5 teaspoons) along with some traces of Sulphur Dioxide mmmmmm yummy.
Mixed weekend for me, had a crap XC race on Saturday where I seriously considered giving up running for ever followed by a surprisingly enjoyable 22M run yesterday with another glorious sunrise. Didn't throw in any 5.40s at the end but last mile was a comfortable 6.30 which is probably faster than I finished the cross country! Haven't uploaded any of my runs yet but I think I did about 98-99M last week so mileage is decent now, just need to start adding in a bit more pace as legs are feeling good at the moment. 6M (non-sweaty) for me this morning.
Jimbob - as the others have said, it would be nice to have fresh legs all the time but proper marathon training doesn't really allow for that although I find that later on your legs do get used to it pretty well.
SL - good to hear the mojo is coming back, good time of year for it. Solo BAC sessions will get you in good shape.
TR - cracking session, especially so early in the morning. Good to see you trying something different and you sound confident at the moment. As a note of caution isn't it a bit early to be doing those sessions though? I'm waiting a few weeks to do them in the last few weeks before the race. Found last year that they're pretty intense and you wouldn't want to be doing them for too many weeks in a row.
Tmoth - it won't have the same effect if you break the run up. Doing a double will still be good for your fitness but not as specific as one MLR.
AW - good news on the knee.
Dids/Toro - as a counter to the all carb diet have you tried limiting carbs where you basically eat your normal food but more of the protein and fat and leave out the carbs? Eat when hungry, eat 'til full. Noakes is a big fan these days, having developed diabetes whilst training for ultras and noticing that loads of people who run ultras are still pretty chubby despite doing loads of running. I've found you feel a lot better at the end of long runs etc and there's no need to "fuel up" the night before long runs. Weight loss was quick and easy. Haven't been doing much quicker running but apart from maybe Saturday's XC I've had no fuelling issues. This post is an interesting one http://www.runnersworld.co.za/nutrition/novel-dietary-ideas/.
Wardi - impressive 5m race in a 13.
Trainers. New Balance for me, M3090s are very light and I find them very comfortable and worked well at London last year, feet were unscathed by the 26.2M.
Top training from lots of others....
Shaping up to be another decent mileage week for me, did 12M with some faster stuff in (not quick) on Tuesday and a decent length run planned for this evening. Have had some painful tightness just above my right ankle since the XC but it's getting better and will hopefully be fine by Saturday.