Malcs - Brilliant write up, loved reading it and gutted for you after all the hard work, but like you say a PB and will surely stand you in good stead. I know what you mean about the miler markers, it's so tough when you're trying to run to a set pace but have that factor to take into account. No problem at all for after, I was very similar felt very cold and was just keen to get back to hotel for a shower to warm up. Best of luck for the autumn training I'll certainly keep in touch to see how that goes. Definitely echo what others said you are certainly an inspiration and huge help to others who have the usual doubts.
I'm still thinking unless I got another London place, and/or decide to New York in a few years this will be it for in terms of marathon's the legs just struggle a bit too much, even in training for it to be enjoyable, so will still to shorter distances. However I know I can do 3.30 and much of the leap in confidence was down to advice from yourself and Tim in the last 2 years. Even with the poor training this time round having the mental knowledge of what I could do was a major help in getting me past 20 miles.
Fairyclogs - Great effort well done on a very impressive time, hope the foot is better now, ironically the feet are the only bit of my lower limbs not hurting right now!!
Writing this on the phone so apologies if it doesn't read great.
Malcs - that is a great effort, can imagine how gutting being so close but a PB is a PB so great effort. I know what u mean about mile markers, my watch buzzes for a mile and by 20 I couldn't even see the marker when it buzzed which depresses you a little. Still a great run and apologies wasn't able to get on since or would have loved to meet up before, did have a look for Chando's but the family were waiting for me to come back to hotel.
Sense - shame about your girlfriend but as you say other races to come hopefully. Thanks for the support ironically my wife and kids were just after mile 23 near our hotel. Should have told you I was wearing red Swinton RC top but so many to spot at that stage.
So my race went pretty well overall. Got to say a big thanks for the advice from Malcs & Sense especially, coupled with people from my club convinced me I could still do it with rubbish training. I'd not been nervous until the train down on Saturday when I think it dawned on me. Legs felt tight walked miles more than wanted as usual but felt fairly relaxed.
Up earlyish for standard breakfast a girl whose first marathon was nervous about the train so asked me and another guy if fancied sharing. As it was taxi didn't show! But I kept her calm explaining wasn't a difficult journey and think it helped me keep calm just chatting to them. Dropped my bag about 9.30 planning a quick pit stop and was panicked by the queues but had luckily remembered there were others nearer the pens, lol and behold no queue. Quick dynamic warm up then went into the back of pen 4 as planned no pushing forward this time.
Was a bit concerned the 3.30 paced was next to me so moved across a bit, set off in no time first 2 miles seemed far bunchier than last but I'd told myself no weaving etc just stay steady. After about 2 miles seemed to ease up and could run at pace I felt happy, didn't realise use watch other than when it buzzed but was running about 8.15 I think. Did my usual trying to break it down into chunks and felt the miles were passing ok, lungs felt great but legs felt more tired than I'd want.
Didn't really have a huge plan at this point still felt so far and tbh until halfway there were a fair few doubts. Think Tower Bridge was the first big boost as you know halfway is close, then all the markers mean less miles!! Got through the underpass where I blew up 2 years ago and again was boosted, I wasn't feeling great but had passed that point all beit slower than then. I'd actually started to speed up at halfway I'd taken all advice on and taken it easy first half. Then I just started thinking this could be my last and I want to leave it all out there.
Didn't speed up much but was closer to 8 min miles and thinking 3.40 was on, however the overwhelming urge to stop as the legs were screaming now. Ignored them and used points so got through Canary Wharf, then kept thinking 10k to go etc. However the inevitable happened with about 5 to go just had a little walk every mile, felt it helped tbh, Back was very much grumbling too but looking forward to the family at 23 gave me huge boost. 2 more tough miles then managed to grit in and run the last, got to in case of telly!!
Was just passed by the 3.45 pacer on the Embankment but couldn't hold onto him, in the end finished in 3.45.27 left everything out there but didn't do it silly, well apart from the training!! Felt chuffed to be honest, not a PB but my 2nd best ever and in tough circumstances.
Massive thanks to all for the support on here really does help.
Thanks Sense now I've committed mentally to doing it I'm fairly exicted and little apprehensive but feeling good, will look out for you at the 10 mile point, if I remember of course. I remember last year committing to looking out for Malcs swiss flag at I think just before halway and was that focussed on splits I totally missed it!!
Weather looking better for runners than spectators, which will suit me at least.
Good luck to Malcs and anyone else running hope you enjoy and get the times you are hoping for.
One final note did people see the news on the Manchester route being short for 3 years? It seems like it's fall from grace is beyond belief at present, to say it's unlikely to repeat it's vote as number 1 marathon, I think in the Runners World poll, is somewhat of an understatement.
Malcs & Sense - Thanks again for the advice and don't worry at all Malcs, I wouldn't be pushed into it, I know what I am letting myself in for and would only do it if I felt I had a realistic chance of doing it without injuring myself, or suffering round for the whole way. I'm probably 99% going to do it now, main difficulty will be reigning myself in!! I was obviously aiming for 3.30 so was going to be looking at 1.45 halfway, was 1.46 last time. I'm trying to avoid thinking too much of times but easier said than done!!
One advantage of being under trained and not focussed on the target is a bit less pressure, know how you feel from last year Malcs, but am sure you'll be able to relax the next few days and not think about it....yeah rught
Dave - Hard lines that especially after a good training block, I had a really rubbish London the year before last, just felt rubbish from 16 miles, and had a rubbish last 10 so can sympathise, can just happen on the day. If I could take sub 4 right now I think I'd snap your hand off so top going for still doing that.
Malcs - Thanks for the advice and guidance, honestly is much appreciated, hope i'm not boring too mucb with the indecision. Hope you can relax a bit this week
I managed a 14 miler yesterday, which obviously doesn't fit in with any normal taper for a plan!! However my logic was it would help me make my mind up, but if I'm honest it's no clearer. The run felt fine for about 8 miles running at about 8.30-8.45. However just started to feel really tight hammy's from about 10 and was just feeling far more tired than I should at the pace and distance. So my inital thoughts were just defer, it's not worth it. But then I got thinking I'll be more rested, I'm aiming to get a Sports massage on Weds, as I know my hamstrings are a bit tight anyway, and with the adrenaline on the day, plus more fuel/water, which I had none of, then maybe I will be able to enjoy it, which is the minimum for me.
I know I'm not going to smash 3.30 this time, but don't want to do a repeat of Edinburgh which was 14 decent miles and 12 killer ones. My reluctance to defer is I really wasn't sure I wanted to do one next year, plus if I got injured next year that would be it, no London. I don't feel injured whihc is almost worse, just feel very undertrained!!
Good luck to everyone else trying to think of things other than splits this week, and good luck to Angela today.