Evening all. Hope you are all enjoying the lovely weather still. I'm currently in taper mode for the long tour of bradwell in 11 days time but have been out for a couple of short easy runs the last couple of lunchtimes. I've started to get my kit ready for race day (already) and I didn't realise just how much you need to carry. With it being a fell run going over hills there is compulsory kit such as waterproof jacket and trousers, a whistle, map and compass, hat and gloves (yes, you read correctly). Then there is other items you may need; sunglasses, cap, sun block. Other things such as spare socks, vasalene, plasters, tape. Food - I'm currently going with sausage, bacon and roast potatoes but you have to consider the length of time you will be running so you may get bored. So, Mars bars, flapjack, muffins. And I will be taking some gels too. Water - I've got a 3 litre camelback but there are water stations on route so how much water should I carry (the lighter the better for going up them there hills). Where to meet Mrs C on route to bring me additional food, water and clothing just in case. It's more tiring doing all this than the actual running !
I'm currently in training for my first 50 miler in September. I believe some people don't think it's necessary to do back to back runs but I thought I would give it a go anyway. I was thinking to start with maybe a 2 and a 4 hour back to back run. Which would benefit me most, doing the 2 hour followed by the 4 hour, or vice versa or doesn't it make any difference either way ? Cheers
What a scorcher today. I made an early start to avoid the heat but by 9:00 I was really hot. Within 200 yards of the start of my run I was faced with a herd of cows on the trail who were indulging in breakfast. I made my way towards them but they were giving me funny looks and started to walk towards me. That was my que to take an early detour into the woods and eventually came back on the trail behind them.
Then came the first climb of the day up to Win Hill. Most trails in this part of town are technical/rocky so I started the climb and as soon as you start walking you basically have to walk to the top they are that steep. Eventually getting to the top rewarded me with a stunning view of the area. A steady decent, across a few fields then on to the next climb up Lose Hill. More cows ! This time I had nowhere to go so had to turn around and take the other path. Another steep climb and by this time it's really hot. Another technical decent is then followed by the climb I dread up Ringing Roger. This is a real tough one but I get up it and, as usual, I get lost up there. So I had to change my route and ended up back towards Win Hill. Normally, by the 12 mile point, my feet are hurting, but today I had taped my feet in the hope that would help and it did. A stop at the shop for a bottle of coke, water to top up the bladder and I was off again. I made it half way up the next climb and by this point I was spent so headed for the car. A couple of miles later I was done and boy was I ready for a sit down in the shade. 23.6 miles in 6 hours with 4,600ft of climbing. That was the toughest run I've ever done.
Im still not sure I can complete the race but I'm going for it and let's see what happens
PS - I live in Sheffield (Nottingham boy but moved up there 5 years ago to be with the missus) so am about a 10 minute drive to the Peak District. So that's a fair distance from Crow Edge although I have been running up near Dunsford Bridge which isn't too far away. Enjoy your time in France, are you taking your trotters ?
Sean - fnar fnar about Ladyblower ! One of the running podcasts I listen to advocates speedwork before you start your marathon training. Then, when you start doing your longer runs, your easy pace should be quicker due to your speedwork. Makes sense I guess so hopefully that will be the same for you when you start your training for your spring marathon.
Carl - I definitely prefer the longer stuff although training for this first race is tougher than I expected due to the amount of hills. In hindsight, I would have started off with something a bit easier and worked my way up to this one. But hey ho, I'm in it now so will give it my best shot. I like the look of your training plan, it's covering everything you need for a successful training plan. And good to see you aren't trying to cram in that 5th run every week, it will take the pressure off you a bit which can only help. Re your MP, as I'm sure you're well aware, 8:00 min miles will get you under 3:30, which is well within your grasp I reckon. Longer runs at 9:00 min miles and get some MP miles, or a tad faster, in them if you can. You're currently running some hard tempo/hill interval runs at a cracking pace on tired legs so you must be feeling very strong. All the signs are very positive for you nailing it in Chicago.
Nell - welcome back. Are you sure it was a holiday you've been on with all that running ?? Well done on getting the GFA for London as well. Do you always go with a 12 week marathon training plan rather than a longer one ?
This week, I have managed a lunchtime tempo run on Monday and a MLR on the hilly roads on Tuesday night. Whilst my legs are tired due to all these long, hilly, off road runs, I am definitely feeling stronger and I reckon I will start to feel the benefit come marathon training over the winter. An easy run this lunchtime down by the river followed by my last long training run on Saturday.
There seems to be a lot of people on other threads moaning about running in the heat; I suspect they probably moaned about it being too cold during the winter too !! I am finding it OK to be honest, providing I keep the water intake up. How is everyone else finding it ?
AM - I sort of cobbled my own together for Manchester but didn't really follow it in the end. If you recall, I previously had ITB issues, so was careful when I started my plan. Any time I felt the knee coming back I backed off, gave it 2/3 days rest and then started up again. Basically I ended up doing 1 good, solid week and then an easy week and this really seemed to work for me. I also felt it was really good to get my first 20 miler in as soon as I could, which I managed to do on week 3 (I had been building up to it before then so it wasn't as though I went straight into it). I also did very little speed work, no intervals and maybe a 4/5 mile tempo run every 2/3 weeks. My plan was also 20 weeks as I knew I would need flexibility due to Christmas, niggles, family life etc. I didn't do any warm up races either as at that stage I felt I was breaking when I pushed things too hard. During the 3 week taper I reduced the mileage and stepped up the speedwork focusing on 2/3 tempo runs per week. Only as I was tapering did I feel tired and it wasn't excessively. As a result, I went to Manchester feeling great and smashed my 4:00 hour target by 24 minutes and that had a 5 minute negative split as well. Looking back I think I could have pushed it even more I felt that good.
So, that approach has worked for me and my next plan for Manchester will look something very similar. My thoughts are that training plans are great as a guide but you will need to modify them to suit you. I certainly agree with you when you say you are going to take an extra rest day if needed, especially with you being on P&D. As has been said before, missing one or two recovery/easy runs wont affect your training.