So the JD book is on order (I'm hoping it comes with a teeny tiny bottle of the bourbon...!) and I had an excellent chat with another marathon swami last night, and am feeling much better and chipper about things. After reviewing the year, I'm actually not terrible at running. I got a 10minute marathon PB in Paris, a half marathon PB and less than a week after Loch Ness marathon, I ran one of my fastest ever parkruns.
I've got two races to the end of the year, and I'm going to run them for fun. No pace setting, no stress - just enjoy. The 10k is hugely special for me as Mr KS proposed after that race, and the half marathon is his first half so that'll be special too!
After that - rest until the end of the year. Keep ticking over but let my body recover from a tough year of training.
I'll target a half marathon in March and aim for a PB in training, but remember that I want to enjoy the run and not kill myself over 3 seconds! I'm looking at Bath - has anyone done/is anyone doing that one?
What's the plan for everyone this weekend? Any runs? Races? We have an amazingly free weekend so I think I'll do some house admin, with a bit of cosy telly watching. Happy Friday everyone!
Good morning, sorry about the delay, work trip got in the way!
orapidrun and BM, you are indeed right - Asics 26.2 sub 4 plan. I don't know if the LSSSR works for me - I just can't see me running 10min/mil in training and then suddenly finding a minute per mile from somewhere in the race. Should I trust myself more?!
Thanks Tricky. I understand what you mean between the 5k and 5M times, although it's quite difficult to hear, as what I think that means is 'you're not fast enough', which does make me a bit sad. Not because I want to be speedy, but because I want to know that training does have a benefit. I don't want to be hanging around the 9:30min/mil average speed for the rest of my life - not that there's anything wrong with that, of course, but that was pretty much the pace I hit within the first six months of running.
Totally agree about me not understanding training theory - there's so much conflicting information and I'm so keen to try everything and not miss out on an opportunity, I end up getting in a pickle. I will definitely look at Jack Daniel's book, thank you.
Maybe I just need to be patient and accept that not everyone can knock 20 minutes/15 minutes/5 minutes off their PBs at once, I'm one of those who just chip away. I think I was a bit spoiled by doing a 20 minute PB and then a 10 minute PB, between my first and third marathons.
Er, yes. I think how I'm training and perhaps, a bit of respiratory mis-aids might be the key. We're working on the secondary. Mental sabotage is definitely possible - I don't think I deserve it based on the way my training has gone/is going, so I talk myself out of it and am validated when I don't get there. Do you mind if I send you my Loch Ness training spreadsheet and maybe my Paris one?
Thanks so much for all of your help, everyone. Running might be something your body does on its own, but the support from this forum and others, is what makes it for me.
Hello KS. My name is Tricky. I have run a couple of marathons in my time. First off, I didn't see anything obsessional about fuelling before....
Can I ask about your intuition, as to what you think the source of the problem might be: race day preparation, fuelling for the race, or training preparation? Given your experience, it's unlikely that you will be making multiple errors, so it might be best to hone in on one area of uncertainty, make some changes and see what happens.
Do you keep detailed training logs, and do you also write up the cycling component to go alongside it? IIRC you commute to work. How far is that, how long does it take, do you measure your HR, or what effort level would you say those rides were? Do you follow a structured training plan and have you varied them across your 6 maras?
I know you say that they are one size fits all, except that's not strictly true. A plan is just distances, the variation and suitability comes from the pace you use to run according to the plan. Have you checked out the VDOT calculator and used these 'confirmed' paces for your training, or do you make it up as you go along? Maybe you've provided all that info before and i wasn't paying attention, so sorry about that. Would love to help. Cheers, TD.
Hello Tricky-Dicky, thanks for your kind words and wise advice, much appreciated.
So, I think my intuition is telling me that it's a mental block. I can run five miles in 40mins or less, three times in a five week period, but I can't seem to run 5k in less than 24.21. That tells me that I have it in my legs, but something's stopping me.
I'm also getting frustrated at myself as it feels like sabotage - I just keep messing it up! This is also not very nice, but I'm also a little bit jealous of the amazing, lovely people in my life who are following my advice and getting faster and stronger and fitter, while it feels like I'm sitting in a corner, crumbling into dust. Perhaps a bit melodramatic, and the rational bit of me knows that's not true - I just want to know how I can take my own advice.
In terms of what I can do for myself - I think it is a case of looking over training logs. I keep spreadsheets and am also on Strava as well as using garmin connect. I think what it's lacking is the context - what I ate, how I slept, the shoes I was wearing etc. This is, again, to spot patterns and not to introduce superstitions.
I do follow structured training plans, slightly tweaked each time I race. What I don't do is retrospectively assess what went well and what didn't. Ironic really, as that's one of my favourite bits at work
I have checked out the VDOT calculators, race predictors etc. My fancy new garmin tells me that based on my V02 max my marathon time is 3:45 - go figure. I use the training paces as much as possible but quite honestly, I don't think that necessarily works for me as I panic if I'm not dead on at every km.
I wasn't very good at factoring my cycle commute into the last training cycle. It's not far - about 5 miles each way with a couple of big ol' hills in so you get a nice descent on the way there and an ascent on the way back, or vice versa depending on the hill you're doing. It takes me about 23 minutes, I think. I was doing up to four times a week in August and September, although I stopped the week before Loch Ness.
Eggy, I'm so sorry you had a bad run at Amsterdam - I can totally relate because I would do the same thing! You're exactly right, and I know we've talked about this before.
Oh Tinkerbell, I'm really sorry but I laughed at your description of your inner monologue when TD ran away from you at the end.... I don't mean to laugh at your pain, but I can just imagine how angry you were!
Super huge congratulations, it's been an honour meeting you lovelies in real life, and seeing both you and your relationship grow and transition over the last 18 months or so. Well done and I wish you every happiness xx