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That is spooky Shedboy. Hoping I can looking forward to smashing my 10k PB some time soon. What do you think did the trick for you with taking 4 minutes off?

I'll let you know how my training and warm up races go.

Anybody get a charity place? I did - www.justgiving.com/Graeme-Hind1

Thanks for the input guys. I am doing Helsby Half in January and then Liverpool Half in March. Hoping this will give me an initial guide time then a measure of my improvement.

Helsby last year was my first Half and managed 1h58m on a VERY windy day. For those who don't know it the course is pretty lumpy too! (So Vicky you can definitely do sub2h in a couple of weeks).

My long runs are 7-12 miles and I run with a club twixce a week.

I am am doing VLM 2013 - it'll be my first marathon.

If I am currently running a 10k in 52 mins what should my target time be for VLM?

Coach at running club reckons I can aim for 4 hours. This seems a bit fanciful as there are guys at the club who run faster 10ks than me who've recently runn marathons in well over 4 hours.

I'd love to run 3h59m .

I had some injuries earlier this year but am back now. I have a good level of fitness and do plenty of cross-training in addition to running. I am 42 years old.

Any advice and shared experiences welcome. Cheers.

I've done two events at this venue of late - October '11 and yesterday.

The course has a lot of PB potential but is VERY dull. The organisation of both events has been, I am afraid to say, RUBBISH. October's 10k suffered a false start! After 600 metres! Yesterday's race start was delayed by someone's car being towed from the car park. The tannoy messages were unintelligable. So I feel sorry for whoever suffered the towing of their car as they had no chance of understanding the warning messages - lol!

Personally I don't run in order to get goody bags but I do enjoy a GOOD medal and/or technical tee. October saw finishers receive a flapjack and a pen. Yesterday it was a very cheap medal and an imitation Twix! I'd rather the organiser's didn't bother, to be honest, rather than offer something cheap.

I won't be back to Stanley Park to race any time soon.

Conversely, I raced the Windmill 10k last year which was organised by the same Club. This was an excellent race, smoothly organised and felt altogether more professional on a much more interesting course.

It's a bit of a mystery to me how the same Club can organise such vastly different race experiences. I wonder if there is something about Stanley Park...

Interested in your thoughts. But, please, don't get shirty. This is my opinion. I think I have expressed it fairly.