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London Marathon Pacemaker Thank You!!!

Posted: 17/04/2014 at 21:35

I paced 3:30 from the back of Green Pen 3 on Sunday. Again, have to agree with the points about congestion, but I found it much worse for the first 3 or 4 miles, we were about 40 seconds down but obviously you can't just speed up and pull those 40 secs back in the next mile. So it was a case of running 7.57/58s (instead of 8s) to slowly catch up.

Used the GPS but I know how unreliable they can be (and after losing the signal in the tunnels it throws the pace off for a few minutes afterwards) so had the stopwatch and pace band to guide me too. Came in at 3:29:22 so close enough for me!

With regards to one of the 3:15 pacers who dropped out, I know folk rely on the pacers but you need to remember that they're human too. I'm not sure if he was unwell or had done himself an injury, I wouldn't be surprised if it was the latter. I VERY nearly ended up on my backside on three separate occasions due to folk clipping heels etc. There were 43 of us so for just one to have difficulties is a pretty decent result I'd say.

Started with a huge group which whittled down to three hardy souls; Jill, Eileen and Romain. They all gradually dropped off the pace but I'd be keen to know how they finished up - so on the MASSIVE off-chance that they're reading this, please let me know!

I also picked up 'Colin' for a few miles towards the end who I've since heard from, which was nice...and he got a 7 minute PB too. I'd run the Milan Marathon the week before and managed to recover in time for pacing duties. I'd love to do it again (pace) but I've got a Boston Qualifier and their race is the Monday (20th) before London's Sunday (26th), so with the travelling, kids, cash etc I don't think I'd be able to stretch to both. Unless I was pacing the run/walk group.....!

Sub 3

Posted: 17/04/2014 at 21:10

I too am worryingly seemingly recovered, haven't ventured out yet though, the boozer is my prime concern right now, may ease back in with pacing duties at parkrun on Saturday.

I know the ballot is Tuesday but does anyone know when the FGFA entries window opens? I'm gonna use it as my 'Plan B' if the Boston plan falls through. Although the qualifying time is 3:05 they operate a 'fastest time served first' system. Due to the bombings last year (and this year therefore been more popular), the cut-off time for my age group was 3:03:23.

I ran 3:03:25 in Milan so would have missed it by 2 sodding seconds! Hoping that the events popularity this year is just a 'blip' and will return to normal after Mondays race. From what I can gather, all the previous races have accommodated everyone under 3:05, without the need for a cut-off time...

VM London Marathon Pacing

Posted: 15/04/2014 at 21:40

Was one of the 3:30 pacers myself, and loved it too! Had a similar experience in that none of those I started with finished with me, and that I almost hit the deck on several occasions..!

Started with a huge group which whittled down to three - Eileen, Romain and Jill. Unfortunately each of them quietly fell of the pace somewhere between 12 and 16 miles. I do wonder what happened to them! I also picked up a fellow called Colin for about six miles but lost him with a couple of miles ago too, although I've since had an email forwarded from Runners World which informs me he ran a 7 minute PB!

Sub 3

Posted: 14/04/2014 at 21:13

LD - I too have nailed the GBK offer today, and plan to do the same again tomorrow...!

Sub 3

Posted: 14/04/2014 at 13:44

Bloody hell theres been some phenomenal racing going on, good work all, and sorry to those who fell short of their targets, as I was told last week, theres always next time!

Well, to keep it brief - what an ace day in London! After my 3:03 in Milan I must admit to been a bit apprehensive that I'd recover in time for pacing duties at VLM, but nailed the physio, ice baths, compression socks etc and had vaguely 'rebuilt' myself by Saturday morning. Went out for a very steady 5K around 5am and was still struggling with a tight quad and calf, just hoped to push through it.

Got the train down to Kings Cross, over to the hotel, dumped the bag, then over top the expo. I usually like those things but jesus it was busy, and seemingly rammed with utter fuckwits. I'd usually stay for over an hour but I was in and out in about 20mins, and it was only due to the sheer volume of folk that I was there that long.

Tubed it out to Maze Hill to meet the RW lot (and PP briefly), was surprised at how informal it all was, but that probably helped to calm any nerves. To be honest, by this point, I'd taken the view that I may as well just enjoy it and go with the flow. Got inundated with queries regards the pacing (to be expected), including one woman who followed me pretty much all the way to the urinal with 1001 questions. Must admit it was nice though, made me feel useful for a change!

Anyway, to cut a long story short, was pacing at 3:30 and came in at 3:29:22, close enough for me! Started with a group of about 50 which narrowed down to four, all of which looked comfortable but disappeared quietly one by one. Was never particularly uncomfortable, it was trying to concentrate for that long that was proving more difficult. Was about 30 seconds down on the first 3-4 miles but gradually picked it back up. Once we were at 22mile it was plain sailing and I really enjoyed the rest of it and tried to take it all in. Must admit to been a bit jealous of you guys, couldn't help but keep thinking how great it'd be to have a proper crack at it in a couple of years (or next year if Boston falls through).

A thoroughly rewarding experience, enhanced by the countless hugs, kisses and genuine words of gratitude from complete strangers after the race, many of which I had no idea were anywhere near but said "I followed you from Mile 3" etc, etc.

Apologies I didn't make the Red Lion, by the time I'd dropped off the flag at the RW hotel (and bloody hell, that place was LUSH, they must have a RIGHT budget!) and was gassing to various folk for that long, it was a bit of a dash back to the hotel then Kings Cross for the train back.

Certainly don't suffer with any post-marathon insomnia...but that may be down to the 14ish pints sunk and rolling in home at 1am...!

Good work everyone!

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Sub 3

Posted: 11/04/2014 at 11:24

Thanks for the messages regards Milan guys, was certainly hard-going but pleased with the outcome given the circumstances.

Jonny - aye the pain came (or comes) or really early on in the race. As I say, haven't had the problem in shorter races that are run at a MUCH higher intensity.

I didn't purposely set out to get through that much water, it didn't actually occur to me how much I'd put away until someone mentioned the possibility of overhydration yesterday. I had 2L with breakfast, then a 1L mixed with some sports tabs (High 5 Xtreme, worked for me well in the past), a further 2L on the metro to the start, then 500ml in the 30mins before the start.

I always hydrate well before a race (maybe 1L water, 1L water & sports tab) but haven't had the kind of problems I had on Sunday. So I think the suggestions above, and in particular Charlie's comments, could be pretty accurate? He's spot on with the taper, carbo-loading and fluid intake so I'm hoping it could be the case? I'm obviously pissed oof from last Sunday but the most frustrating this is/was not knowing what was bringing it on.

Anyway, onto VLM, will hopefully catch up with some of you in the Red Lion afterwards if all goings to plan. I assume 5.5litres of ALE AFTER the race would be much more accepted.....

 

Sub 3

Posted: 10/04/2014 at 21:08

I'm not quite sure whats happened there, half of my last message disappeared and the italics seem to have continued for the rest of the thread?!

The whole thing (in italics) was supposed to read;

I began running seriously in 2010 but began experiencing shin splints during races in early 2011. I wouldn’t have any problems in training regardless of distance, tempo, intensity etc; the pain only seemed to develop during races, or to put it simply – when it actually mattered! The pain is on the outside of the shins, develops within 10 minutes of starting the race, and often subsides after 45 mins or so, but then my calves tighten up, the damage is done and my race is over. Once I’ve finished I can walk fine and have no pain whatsoever.

From then on I tried numerous treatments in an attempt to beat the problem, these have included physio, massage, shin-strengthening exercises, taping, foam rolling, compression socks, anti-inflammatories, icing, and custom-made orthopaedic insoles and so on. However, after having yet another race sabotaged by the pain (last years Paris Marathon), my podiatrist tweaked my insoles and I had a full year of pain-free running, both in training and in races.

Unfortunately, at last weekend’s Milan Marathon, the pain returned and put a huge dent in my finishing time. Over the past seven months I’d gradually increased the mileage, running around 80miles a week and achieved personal best times at all shorter distances.

The frustration is the lack of any consistent pattern in what causes the pain to flare up. There are no ‘warning signs’ beforehand, it just seems to come on as it pleases, and although it could just be “one of those things”, I’d imagine there must be some form of medical explanation for it? My preparation for the marathon has been pretty identical to the shorter races in which I’ve had no problems whatsoever (despite these been run at a LOT higher intensity). I warm-up thoroughly, wear the same shoes as in training, follow the same nutrition (that doesn’t give me problems in other races), no alcohol or medication, routine (rest,etc) so am utterly baffled as to what causes the issue to arise yet again.

I realise it could be an overtraining/muscle stress issue but it seems hugely coincidental that it should only give me grief during the full marathon (and early on in the race at that), which is run at a lower intensity, after which I’ve tapered for three weeks, rather than in the middle of an 80-mile week. Again, it could be that my insoles need replacing but it would also be very unfortunate that they give up at that exact race (and not sooner).

I’ve also questioned if it’s a psychological problem but the pain is that intense that I don’t see how it could be.

Have you heard of anything similar to this before? As you can imagine, having invested so much time, effort and money into preparing for the race, it’s incredibly distressing when such a problem occurs.

That's what I've posted elsewhere and sent to a few physio's. Interestingly, one sent an immediate reply and asked if I was over hydrating. To be fair he could have a point, I had 5.5litres of water in the four hours before Milan. I'm worried of becoming dehydrated but with the heat in mind I maybe went a step too far?

But are folk aware of just how much it could affect my problem? With regards to TRs question; no I use the same two pairs of trainers in races and training.

Apologies it's all a bit 'me me me', I've just no idea what direction to go in from here!

Sub 3

Posted: 10/04/2014 at 19:25

Hi all

Good to see everyone's all geared up for Sunday. A combination of walking, compression socks, ice baths and physio and I'm just about 'rebuilt' from last Sunday so should be able to perform pacing duties without any grief.

A very brief report from Milan -

Got there around Friday tea time and went straight to the 'expo' to pick up my bib. I say expo, it was literally about 20 stalls handing out leaflets and that was about it. Picked possibly the worse restaurant in Milan (looked alright from outside) but got a plate of pasta and sauce for 4e so can't complain too much.

Saturday-

Had a steady 5K around Sempione Park in the centre at 9am and it was 18c already by then. I felt my shins giving me a little hassle but put it down to been sat on the flight the day before. Had a nice walk round down to the Duomo afterwards and took on plenty of fluid. So far so good.

Sunday

Race started at 9.20 am so was up at 5am to eat and get hydrated. We got the metro out to the start which was by an out-of-town Exhibition Centre, what they failed to mention was that it was about 1.5 miles walk from the metro stop to the actual start. Felt decent beforehand, had a good clear-out at the bog, did a good warm up and got into the pen with plenty of time to spare.

First 6K was absolutely fine, was about 4 secs under 3:00 pace and cruising then felt an old familiar twinge in my shins. This pain then developed into utter agony and spread to both legs, only easing off slightly around the 14 mile mark, but in return my calves tightened right up which restricted the pace even further. Add to this the 24c heat and I was done in.

Furthermore, my guts were playing fuck for a good ten miles. Honestly, by 12 miles I was wondering if I'd finish...or at least would be looking at a 3:30ish hobble-in. With about six miles to go I thought I may as well try and salvage what I could and enjoy it. The first half of the race sent you through little shanty towns but the last 13 miles were ace - took in all the sights and the finishing straight was ace.

Given there were only 4,000 runners (plus another annoying 6,000 'replay' runners, how seemed to get better billing than those running the full 26.2) the atmosphere was fantastic and the organisation was second to none. I'd fully recommend it to anyone for a destination race.

In conclusion, I was gutted not to have capitalized on the fitness and break 3:00, but still chuffed to manage a BQ given the circumstances. The most frustrating thing of all is the injury that reared its head again, I wasn't even THAT knackered at the end. I'm utterly determined to get to the bottom of it and have attempted to explain the problem below in the hope someone can help. I've sent this to a few physios and posted it elsewhere but if anyone has any idea whatsoever I'd be very grateful.

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I began running seriously in 2010 but began experiencing shin splints during races in early 2011. I wouldn’t have any problems in training regardless of distance, tempo, intensity etc; the pain only seemed to develop during races, or to put it simply – when it actually mattered! The pain is on the outside of the shins, develops within 10 minutes of starting the race, and often subsides after 45 mins or so, but then my calves tighten up, the damage is done and my race is over. Once I’ve finished I can walk fine and have no pain whatsoever.

From then on I tried numerous treatments in an attempt to beat the problem, these have included physio, massage, shin-strengthening exercises, taping, foam rolling, compression socks, anti-inflammatories, icing, and custom-made orthopaedic insoles and so on. However, after having yet another race sabotaged by the pain (last years Paris Marathon), my podiatrist tweaked my insoles

Shin splints...

Posted: 09/04/2014 at 13:30

Hi all

I began running seriously in 2010 but began experiencing shin splints during races in early 2011. I wouldn’t have any problems in training regardless of distance, tempo, intensity etc; the pain only seemed to develop during races, or to put it simply – when it actually mattered! The pain is on the outside of the shins, develops within 10 minutes of starting the race, and often subsides after 45 mins or so, but then my calves tighten up, the damage is done and my race is over. Once I’ve finished I can walk fine and have no pain whatsoever.

From then on I tried numerous treatments in an attempt to beat the problem, these have included physio, massage, shin-strengthening exercises, taping, foam rolling, compression socks, anti-inflammatories, icing, and custom-made orthopaedic insoles and so on. However, after having yet another race sabotaged by the pain (last years Paris Marathon), my podiatrist tweaked my insoles and I had a full year of pain-free running, both in training and in races.

Unfortunately, at last weekend’s Milan Marathon, the pain returned and put a huge dent in my finishing time. Over the past seven months I’d gradually increased the mileage, running around 80miles a week and achieved personal best times at all shorter distances.

The frustration is the lack of any consistent pattern in what causes the pain to flare up. There are no ‘warning signs’ beforehand, it just seems to come on as it pleases, and although it could just be “one of those things”, I’d imagine there must be some form of medical explanation for it? My preparation for the marathon has been pretty identical to the shorter races in which I’ve had no problems whatsoever (despite these been run at a LOT higher intensity). I warm-up thoroughly, wear the same shoes as in training, follow the same nutrition (that doesn’t give me problems in other races), no alcohol or medication, routine (rest,etc) so am utterly baffled as to what causes the issue to arise yet again.

I realise it could be an overtraining/muscle stress issue but it seems hugely coincidental that it should only give me grief during the full marathon (and early on in the race at that), which is run at a lower intensity, after which I’ve tapered for three weeks, rather than in the middle of an 80-mile week. Again, it could be that my insoles need replacing but it would also be very unfortunate that they give up at that exact race (and not sooner).

I’ve also questioned if it’s a psychological problem but the pain is that intense that I don’t see how it could be.

Have you heard of anything similar to this before? As you can imagine, having invested so much time, effort and money into preparing for the race, it’s incredibly distressing when such a problem occurs.

If anyone could offer me any advice or suggestions whatsoever it would be greatly appreciated.

 

Sub 3

Posted: 09/04/2014 at 09:36

Morning all

Just a VERY quick check-in, ran 3:03:25 in Milan on Sunday. Had a combination of 24c heat, bad guts and the ABSOLUTE BASTARD of an old shin-splints injury re-emerging really early on in the race (which I'll go into later).

On one hand I'm a bit gutted as I reckon those three factors cost me a good ten minutes, am pretty much positive I'd have smashed 3:00 otherwise. But on the other hand, I've got the Boston qualification time for next year, and I suspected I wouldn't finish at around the ten-mile mark.

Will post a more in-depth 'report' later on, and request some advice on the injury, it's certainly not just a common shin-splints one!

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