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TUC-led 'Britain Needs a Pay rise' march

Posted: 22/10/2014 at 14:26
Gideon Levy wrote (see)
With he church continually attacking the govt and big business for their lack of morality and social fairness, I'd almost like to see a raft of new parties based on faith groups beliefs. That would shake things up.

Id rather not put my faith in people who believe in imaginary beings, the church cant even shake itself up, how long have they treating women as equals, have the catholic church come clean about what their priests have been doing?  What about Africa, maybe stretching a bit but half the country still believes in witches, how much of the spread of Ebola is due to religious mistrust?

There's nothing less efficiant than a minister leaving a note stating 'there is no money left' that more than anything sums up labour for me.  Its true a conservative government wouldnt have averted the crisis but every day problems like low wages and expensive housing lands squarely at labours door in my opinion, you have uncontrolled immigration to thank for that.  Labour rules though 2 parliments of good times and spent the lot, did they really think they'd abolished boom & bust?

Labour accuse the government of not achieving their borrowing targets, god help us if Balls had been in charge, does anyone believe him when he stated we could spend our way out of recession.  All the talk of cutting to deep, to fast etc.  Have we had any real cuts, real austerity or simply a trimming round the edges.  In my view its the latter.  Ultimately we need to balance the books we cant go on spending money we dont have.

What I find most astonishing is that after 4 years of opposition the Labour party cant come up with 1 coherant policy, just look at the fixed energy price fiasco, not we have energy companies hoarding money and putting off investment all for the fear of a Labour government, thats costing us jobs, it holding down wages & growth.

TUC-led 'Britain Needs a Pay rise' march

Posted: 22/10/2014 at 08:47
Kathy H wrote (see)

I pleased that there has been a lot of discussion. I know no-one is going to change their minds, though. I read arguments against the ideas that I believe, and they did not persuade me  Some have even taken it as an opportunity to take the mickey.

But I am encouraged that some take the opinion that society needs to be fairer to be prosperous, and maybe we will not get a Conservative government in the May general election!

Green, UKIP or LibDem im assuming, I just cant rationalise how anyone would vote for Labour having nearly brought the country to its knees?  The sheer incompetence is clear for all to see, factor in the Labour are not conservative lite its hard to see a reason to vote for them?  Just look at the grandstanding and fiasco around their claimed protection of the NHS.  Its clear to see how theyve botched NHS Wales and their claims over the Mansion tax are already in tatters.

If the NHS is so important it needs more than a failed populatist policy to raise £2.5 billion.  Announcing direcy policy taxation is clear sign of failure, its as good as admitting they think theirs a big problem but all theyre got to solve it is tokenism.

Whatever people think of the Tories, there's know denying Britain there's no returned to financial stability, we have world beating growth and continuing fall in unemployment.  I can see that people feel its not filtering down yet but recking the recovery is senseless.

Can anyone really take Balls and Milliband seriously except their uninon puppet masters?  Remember it was the unions that forced the two Eds on Labour via block votes, pretty much against the consensus of party members.

TUC-led 'Britain Needs a Pay rise' march

Posted: 21/10/2014 at 20:31
Muttley wrote (see)

Because of course, as everyone knows, it is the directors alone who are responsible for the success of the business. The guys on the shopfloor have nothing to do with it

Ultimately yes, collectively the whole business contribute to the success but the directors alone carry the highest burden.  That's why you see a few £billion wiped off the likes of Lloyds Banking Group shares when António Horta Osorio announces he's taking medical leave.

TUC-led 'Britain Needs a Pay rise' march

Posted: 21/10/2014 at 20:22

I work for myself but in Finance yes, ive ground my way up from the bottom including  5 years college / university, working in a factory and other naff jobs to make ends meet. 

Ive always looked after myself, have moved around the country chasing work, regularly work 50, 60 hour+ weeks. 

I just think if people aren't happy with their lot they need to make the difference themselves not blame other people, the system, or fat cat directors.  Its true some people are given a step up but most of the people I know who have done well have done so through their own hard work and initiative.

TUC-led 'Britain Needs a Pay rise' march

Posted: 21/10/2014 at 20:14
RicF wrote (see)

What constitutes greed or justifying the suppression of wages can be difficult to pin down

We'd like to think that those deciding on what's what do play fair but in my experience some of these elements are complete gits.

I worked in a place where some director would fight an employee tooth and nail over every last penny of not a very large hourly rate, yet would take home himself £5000/month for working part time.

The attitude was "I'm worth all I get", 'You're lucky to have a job'.

Its a dog eat dog world out there, any director worth his salt knows the biggest factor is managing the cost base.  Unlike wages Directors bonus's and dividends are not pre-tax expenditure items.

If its his business, he's worked tooth and nail for years to grow the business like Chimneys brother (and a couple of people I know working similar long hours, employing 100's of people) why shouldn't they take what they like?  Maybe if the director wasn't so scrupulous over the wages there wouldn't be a business now?

TUC-led 'Britain Needs a Pay rise' march

Posted: 21/10/2014 at 20:03

Muttley,why isn't it fair, I take it you applied for the job you're doing now, agreed the contract, did it say in the contract you were entitled to a pay-rise every year.

If you're not happy with the salary, T&Cs, perhaps you should have held out for a better job, or applied for an exec position?

Why is it the fault of other people?

Popsider, I take it when you go into a shop to buy something, you ignore the price on the ticket, you don't pay the £1.50 for 2 pints of milk because you can, but bung them a couple of quid?

Longest Day (Ironman) 2004 - Carl's thread

Posted: 21/10/2014 at 18:43

To right about the jet-lag, I never properly adjusted to Kona time then the return journey complete with 10 hour lay over in LAX completely messed me up.  I didn't sleep from 06.00 Monday till arriving home in the afternoon on Wednesday.

Longest Day (Ironman) 2004 - Carl's thread

Posted: 21/10/2014 at 18:42



No hammering it today, no time trialling the first 30 miles like Longest Day in 2004, I wanted (needed) to finish strong and was weary of the much talked about winds around Hawi. 

Start of the bike and I was struggling cycling out of Kona, not in the way you might think but the emotion really got to me, I was here, me, yes me, cycling up Palani Drive and onto the Queen K Highway

Ive heard it was the windiest race day for a few years, don’t know if it was true but it certainly felt like it.  There were times when going forward and doing my best to not get blown over/across the road was as much as I could manage, times when my diet stood me in better stead than the likes if a ‘race fit’ lady I found myself trading places with.  We certainly exchanged numerous bouts of manic hilarity looking ahead as riders suddenly zig-zagged across the road from the sudden gusts.  The wind came and went at various points through the course, I wasn’t reckoning that last 30 miles back to Kona would be into a headwind, but it was over these miles that I was so pleased that id paced it easy and had the strength to press on.  Off this bike in about 7.30 which I was pleased with in the circumstances, and compared with a 7.15 at France.  Most of that time was like riding into a hand dryer.


I was concerned about the run, ive been struggling with my feet for a long time and hardly run all year (London Marathon and IM Nice run more than doubling any other running miles).  Aim was to run walk it at 15mm hoping I wouldn’t stiffen up to much in the final stages.  Pretty much managed to hold it together, though had a funny spell at 14 miles feeling dizzy and light headed, this came and went but decided to walk the last 6 miles as a precaution.  It had been a long hot day and waking up in an ambulance was the last thing I wanted to happen.

Having noticed I could sneak in under 16 hours I ran most of the last mile, to my surprise I was met about 1/4 mile from the finish by Chrissie Wellington and hand full of others I half recognised and was a bit star stuck and may have babbled some incoherent nonsense as they escorted me to the start of the finish chute.  As is usual at the finishI gathered some strength and ran down the finish high-fiving my way along.  Narrowly avoided face-planting at the finish on account of my fatigued legs and misjudging the ramp (wouldn’t have been an ideal finishers photo).

Medal, Lei, towel and escorted to the finishers area, job done, and still hasn’t sunk in yet. 

Thank you for all the support, I can honestly say during the race that I reflected back many times on many experiences over the years, on the people who have helped me, I thought about those glued to the event and following my progress, perhaps some staying up to see me off the bike?   

Longest Day (Ironman) 2004 - Carl's thread

Posted: 21/10/2014 at 18:40


I think it was 2002? and watching the World Championships, seeing two athletes trading places through the Energy Lab vying for the lead which drew my interest to the Ironman challenge, this looked like an interesting challenge and appealed to my sense of battling futility. 

From DNFing my first long distance event, Longest Day in 2004, ive really been absorbed by the Ironman experience and enjoyed the challenge, more important though are the friendships and being part of the pirates.  There’s been a collective spirit and camaraderie in the pirates that’s been really special.  If it wasn’t for all the wind ups and laughs we had over these years im sure I wouldn’t have continued as long as I have.

Every year ive watched the Kona coverage, every year ive been gripped by the unfolding challenge and locations like Palani & Alii Drive have gained near mythical status (ok perhaps mythical is over doing it but you know what I mean).  All of a sudden a few years ago WTC announce the Legacy program and im race one short of the qualifying criteria.  Well I was there with my race entry for Lanza and Legacy application faster than I can get my wallet out in Greggs.

Roll forward 18 months and ive found myself in Kona.  Preparation hadn’t gone as hoped, I would have liked to PB but injury and work got in the way, that said it had motivated me to lose 2.5 stone which was a pretty good achievement for the year.

I was pretty edgy leading up to the race, felt that there was a lot at stake and didn’t want to miss the one opportunity to enjoy and complete on the stage which inspired me to try IM, something I hardly thought would be possible.  Not finishing was not an option.  Despite many IM events before there was no accounting for something going wrong on the day?  

Pretty much everything went as planned, lots of faffing, tried and tested pre-race routine complete (including muffin taped to tri-bars), and pre-race pep talk from Schmunks.  I found me wading into the water at 06.30, unlike other races id decided not to start at the front, a non wet-suit swim was going to add 25% to my time.  Also predicted there would be more biff than usual, that theory confirmed when punched in the head just swimming to the start.


06.50 and we’re off, pretty uneventful swim but still felt like a battle, the water was choppy and found it hard going on the return leg.  I did hear reports that the swim was measured at 2.7 miles, not sure how true this is.  Out of the water in 1.34 and a slow time on account that I swim well with a wetsuit, not so well without.  I think non wetsuit added 15-20 minutes.



Christmas Social south wales and west

Posted: 21/10/2014 at 09:42

Swim competion at the velodrome?  can we have diving to

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