Carl D

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RW Forum SIx – 3.30 – 4.00

Posted: Yesterday at 13:20

How is everyone doing this weekend ?

Went for my first run post marathon earlier this morning. It was glorious then, raining now. Much be a bank holiday weekend.

4 miles at easy pace : 8:49; 8:51; 8:29 and 8:01 and threw some hills in there for good measure.

So should I run my 10k race on Monday ? I cannot see myself getting close to sub 45mins but the Bupa 10k in London is a great experience. Not sure the legs will turn over fast enough and also need to be careful I do not pick up an injury.

Will - one week to go. Feeling excited ? nervous anticipation ?

Nell - I hear you about paying money for a race and not doing it. Need to explain that to my OH. Seems like you are getting into the groove and are coming strong. You might find that the couple of weeks that you had off will benefit you in a weeks time.

Not sure that I will do Richmond again. I would love to beat that course and get sub 3:30 but that is a big ask.

Yes looking forward to Chicago. Need to think about the length of training plan I go for. I am leaning towards a focused 12 week plan but that needs me to get my weekly mileage back up to 40 miles in advance. Going to ease myself back into weekly running


RW F7 – sub 3.30

Posted: 20/05/2015 at 23:14

All, thanks.

Still waiting to hear if they can sort out some sort of 'official' time. But if not I am not going to beat myself up over it. Things happen and as I said I want sub 3:30 so I need to go out again in any case.

Legs have returned to normal and thinking of doing a few mile shakeout run tomorrow evening.

And yes Stuart that would have been a PB. My previous PB was 3:58 from Paris in 2013.

Have not worked out how to do the link thing yet so if anyone knows please do tell me and I will link to my race report.



RW Forum SIx – 3.30 – 4.00

Posted: 20/05/2015 at 23:02

What is running ?????

After two days of not being able to walk properly and my toes feeling rather raw, everything seems to be returning to normal. Can walk up and down stairs without feeling in agony. Toes returning to normal size.

So the question is whether a few miles are on the agenda tomorrow night !

Still nothing back from the marathon organisers so not hopeful that I can get any sort of 'official' time for my run on Sunday. Have moved on already and not that fussed by it.

The thought of having to all this training again for Chicago is rather daunting at the moment. No doubt if I give it a few weeks it will seem more doable.

PS - great to hear that you are connecting with the local wildlife. It would be funny (not) to come round a corner and find a great big bear standing in the middle of the path. I am sure it is fairly normal to feel ok one week and sluggish the next a few weeks after running the marathon. If you think you can get round why not enter the HM. It will give you something to focus on in the short term before you get back on the training wheel.

Ali - Hopefully the cough passes quite quickly as you seem to be enjoying things at the moment. 

Nell - great to hear from you after you had 'vanished' for a wee while. And things seem to be looking up on the foot front so to speak. Some decent running recently and hopefully it comes good for you despite the busy schedule.

Now that the pain of the day has subsided I am thinking I would love to do it again. It was a really tough marathon but there is something about it that just draws you in. Maybe next year again ......

Will - great to hear that you are feeling fresher as you are getting into the taper more. There is absolutely no pressure on you coming up tail end charlie in the marathon races. I will let Carter put all that pressure on you .....

Carter - as you say marathons take a hell of a lot out of you and you pushed yourself hard in case you have forgotten. We are all very focussed and disciplined when we are training but then for a while we let other things get in the way and running becomes a little harder. I am sure that you will get the mojo back faiirly soon and it will all feel right again. Have you got back on your fatty diet again ? and how is it going ?

RW F7 – sub 3.30

Posted: 18/05/2015 at 22:43

Sense - thanks. Brutal course, sweltering conditions but satisfying outcome. 

I will try and link to my post on the other thread as I do not want to re-type it / copy it. Seems silly. 

For those who have not read. Finished (and was finished when I crossed the line)  in 3:33:53 according to my garmin. Spent the afternoon recovering from a dose of dehydration and the pain today is interesting but somehow worth it.

The official results were not out last night and got an email today saying that they had me going through lap 1 but nothing after so wanted to know if I DNF or suggesting that my timing chip was faulty as happens occasionally. Why me ? But nothing much I can do. I have asked if they can search the video footage if there is video footage. I have no idea as I was in a daze when I crossed the line and do not remember too much about it.

Anyway not fussed by it. If they cannot sort it out I have the record on my watch which is good enough for me.

And as it is above 3:30 it means I have yet to achieve my goal for 2015 so onwards to Chicago I say.

RW Forum SIx – 3.30 – 4.00

Posted: 18/05/2015 at 22:35

Will, have done as you suggest. I honestly have no idea what was going on at the finish line. I remember crossing it but was so wrecked that I cannot remember if they were videoing the thing, who was around me or much. It was all a bit of a daze which tells you something about the condition I was in.

Carter - it is a brutal race. I think it is the 3 laps. The first 12 mile are not so bad but the cumulative effect of the hills that just keep on coming is incredible and there is no amount of training that prepares you for it. Plus add on the heat and it made one hell of a day at the office. The more I think of it the more chuffed I am even though the DOMS seem to have got worse as the day as gone on. Add to that some badly bruised toes and you can imagine the look. Funny to most.

Canter - thanks. My OH did not know what to do with me in the house tonight. So I think for both our sakes I will need to get back out running soon. But not too soon. No idea how I will do Bupa 10k next Monday at the moment.

Ricky - thanks. 3:15 might be a bit out of my reach but never say never. 

Ali - thanks. I will see what they can do re the results. It is frustrating but I am well pleased with my efforts. If they have no connection to my chip thing they cannot give me an official finishing time so it will be an estimate. I cannot even remember what time was on the clock at the start when I went past. Was not paying any attention as I never thought about a scenario where they did not know if I finished. Technology 



RW Forum SIx – 3.30 – 4.00

Posted: 18/05/2015 at 19:19

It is so painful going down stairs. I look a bit like a geriatric !!

Anyway came home tonight to an email from the race organisers.

They have my time for lap one (12 miles) but have got no record of me after that. Looks like my chip thing failed as it was certainly attached when I crossed the finish line.

So I do not appear on the list of finishers. 

So it will remain an unofficial time.

Am a bit annoyed now but guess these things happen.


RW Forum SIx – 3.30 – 4.00

Posted: 17/05/2015 at 22:14

I need to check my garmin for my splits but I must have gone through halfway (there was no official timing at this point) in approx 1:43.

When I hit the steep incline through the woods at mile 14, I decided to walk it. No point in killing myself and the heat at this stage was beginning to take its toll on me.

I had passed a few people coming to the lower slopes on this steep hill and while they toiled running up the hill, I got to the top at about the same time and then I was able to kick on. As I had run these few miles the first time round, I could tell very quickly that I was losing time compared to the first lap and that trying to get back to 8 min smiling was getting really tough. Combination of legs getting hammered and the heat.

Back up the deer path, again I took this very slow this time round but turned left at the top instead of right, to continue climbing to Richmond Gate. This is a long slow climb and as I was now at about mile 17 it was beginning to hurt. Back down (including some up sections) to the start/finish area (mile 19) and out again for one final lap. At every water station, I was taking on water and throwing a cup over my head (yes we had those horrible plastic cups). 

Making my way round to the steep climb through the woods was tough and began to start passing people who were cramped, had pulled muscles and looked in pain. I have to admit I was beginning not to feel too good myself. It was just so hot.

Walked the steep climb again but slower this time. Struggling to put one foot in front of the other. Over the top, another drinks station and continued getting myself mentally prepared for the final steep and then long climb back to Richmond Gate. 

I picked a few people off here but had a few people who were not that far behind me.

the Newcastle chap never passed me out so I reckon he must have being having a rough time of it. the other chap passed me around mile 20 and looked strong.

3 miles to go and it was an effort to put one foot in front of the other. Then I got a brutal stitch. Combination of gels and too much water I reckon. Did not shift it at all and had to give myself a serious talking to keep pushing on. I was hurting like I never have before in a  race.

2 miles to go. Keep going. 

1 mile to go. In agony. Everything screaming at me. Legs dead. Heartbeat was high. Trying to get air into the lungs. Trying to ignore the pain in my side. 

Finish area in sight. People cheering. Not really hearing it anymore.

Then turned off the path onto the finish straight. Must be the worst finishing lime ever. A rutted track !!

Crossed the line. 3:33:53 according to my garmin. I came to an abrupt stop and after shuffling through the finish area where I struggled to let the little lad put the medal over my head, picking up water, food, I did the next best thing to passing out standing up. I did not move for 10 minutes, the world was passing me by, I was taking on water but might as well not have been there. Really strange.

I was too wrecked to realise that I had bagged a fantastic time even with a 10 minute positive split. I guess one of the chaps I spoke to at the start was correct. I gave nearly a minute per mile back in the second half.

I was clearly dehydrated and had probably pushed myself a little too hard today.

Made my way back to the car and slowly changed and inspected the damaged feet. They are still delicate.

The cold bath has helped and walking the stairs now is a bit better but expect to be really stiff come the morning.

So I would have settled for anything around 3:40 before I set out so my unofficial time is something I am really proud of. 

RW Forum SIx – 3.30 – 4.00

Posted: 17/05/2015 at 22:13

Well where the hell did the blue skies and sunshine come from. It was as hot out there today as yesterday if not hotter !! This was not part of any forecast and I checked the bbc weather late last night. Woke up this morning to bright blue skies. I knew it was going to be a tough day. And tomorrow we have heavy rain forecast and the dark clouds are beginning to roll in.

I am sunburnt and was quite dehydrated after the finish. Spent the afternoon snoozing and then had a 25 min cold bath to freshen up the legs. Have 6 sore toes with the 3 on the left foot looking much worse for wear. Fortunately I had brought my running cap with me which helped somewhat. 

So set off early this morning and got to Richmond Park with just over an hour to the start of the race. Changed in my car (no changing tent as advertised), made two trips to the toilets and then headed for the start area.

Still not sure how many ran this as waiting for official results to come through but the start area was crowded mainly due to it being quite narrow. Loads of 100 Marathon Club runners and athletic club runners. Got chatting to a few who had done this before and they were all suggesting that the last lap would be a killer, conserve energy on the really steep hills and expect to be up to a minute per mile slower than if it was a road race.

So all of this helped to settle the anxiety (NOT) 

The start was quicker than normal and we set off down the grass verge on the first 3 mile circuit that would bring us back to the start area. The first mile or so involved weaving in and out of people, to try and get a decent pace moving. Did this in just over 8 mins.

As I made my way back towards the start (running the reverse of the Richmond Park park run route) I decided that I was going to put some time in the tank on the first 12 mile lap as no matter what I did I was bound to let some out on the last lap. 

During mile 4 I was joined by a runner from Newcastle. He ran VLM a few weeks back and another club marathon a week or two previous again. The scenery was stunning. No doubt about that. We were chatting as we ran up an incline and although neither of us shared times with each other I knew he was a lot quicker than me. We caught another runner who was using today as a training run. He had run Paris and London and missed his target of 3:15. So while they were chatting, the Newcastle runner told us that his PB was 3:03 but he did not expect to get close today. 

As we hit the steep climb at mile 5, I took it slow and steady and pulled away from these two. My Newcastle chap says it was clear I had done some hill training. As part of this chat, I worked out that he would be walking this hill in lap 3.

So I pushed on felling strong but very warm, did the out and back section and then turned up another hill which was brutal, a narrow path for deer that was badly rutted. As I got to the top one of the many interesting features - crossing roads with traffic - brought me to a complete standstill. The marshals could not stop the cars. I was a tad annoyed.

Then followed a nearly 2 mile straight section of private road in the park which was completely without shade. Did not like this stretch much being honest. Boring compared to everything else and very warm. 

Another interesting feature of the race were the serious cyclists that speed past you / through you etc, the families out enjoying the good weather with kids on bikes and scooters who did not notice the runners.

Back to the start position and out through to the perimeter trail. The underfoot conditions were very varied. Roads, grass, compact trail, very uneven terrain/gravel, forest paths with large gravel, footpaths.

I need to check my garmin for my splits but I

RW Forum SIx – 3.30 – 4.00

Posted: 16/05/2015 at 15:50

It is very warm out there today and the forecast for tomorrow is for it to be a little cooler. It better be right as I would die in conditions like today.

So the training is done. All in the lap of the gods now.

This is the most anxious I have felt before any marathon to date.

Am going to get my kit together now.

Last year there were 280 finishers. First male was 2:44. First female was in 15th place in 3:26. A 3:30 finish was inside the top 20 and a 3:45 finish was inside the top 50.

I have decided on my strategy and it is based on a steady pace the whole way round.

But as Carter says I am not there to enjoy myself. It is the business end of what has been a challenging training plan. It will be tough and I will just have to push through the pain. 

I am going to use my older pair of trotters as I am just more comfortable in them.

Hopefully it will go ok.

Will let you know when I am done.

Thanks for all the good wishes and I will do my best not to be shit 

RW Forum SIx – 3.30 – 4.00

Posted: 14/05/2015 at 21:39

Carter - on the go faster easy pace comments that a few have mentioned. Running at a marathon training easy pace does not come naturally and most of us when running for fun will run a bit faster in any case as there is no pressure, there is no marathon plan to be followed, doing less mileage and all that .... Easy pace during marathon training is so designed to allow the legs to recover from the harder stuff and of course when running for fun that does not apply.

Anyway that is my theory.

PS - there is you talking about Chicago and I have not even done my Spring (but it could be Winter with the pouring rain we have been having today ) marathon !!!

Sensible to get everything checked out particularly if it is covered by t'insurance.

Ali - looks like you are enjoying your running and that you have maintained the fitness gained during marathon training. Sounds like a nice running plan for the weekend. If only I was running 10 miles  and not the 26.2 hilly ones.

Will - if you still have the manful, take it easy and get rid of it properly. A few missed sessions now will make no difference come race day in a few weeks.

washwood - very quick 5k from you. Well done on the PB. 

Nell - how is the foot treating you ? Are you back running yet are still nursing the injury ? Will you still be doing Edinburgh ?

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