Cheerful Dave

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Sub 3

Posted: Yesterday at 23:28

TT - I think my sub 75 days are behind me, but last year wasn't too shy of that and I'd like to think 75:xx is on if conditions are favourable.  As usual though I'll be aiming to find myself in a group running 'comfortably hard' by the time we get to the motorway bridge the first time, rather than trying to hit specific splits.  If I find myself running with you, dachs or PP early doors I'll know I've been a bit over-eager!

Sub 3

Posted: Yesterday at 14:38

Is that just to take your mind off being ill, jools?  Vicks First defence for me, but not this far out.  Illness now is just part of building up immunity for April.  That's the medical mumbo jumbo I tell myself anyway.

Nice targets AlanB, hit those and you'll be set up very nicely for Spring '17.

Bad luck with the trampoline incident TT.  I was going to point out that you'll bounce back from it, but CW beat me to it (again)!

I have the Chessington 10k this weekend, because the club made it a qualifier for one of our club places at the Bupa 10k, which I fancy doing this year.  It won't be an all-out go though, I'll run there and back to make it a long run with 6.2 miles at a bit inside MP in the middle.  Wokingham HM next weekend is a bigger target.

20 miles or more?

Posted: 11/02/2016 at 13:43
VDOT52 wrote (see)
CD, I think what sub17 is referring to is about training to get the best out of oneself. No one is going to run their best possible marathon on 40mpw, it is not going to happen.

I'd disagree with your assertion about 'no-one' but that's another discussion.  Sub-17 said "The long run should not be more than 33% of your weekly mileage", which is just wrong.  Training plans should be written around the key sessions in any given week - mileage (and the proportion made up of the long run) should be incidental to that.  Some plans have more sessions and therefore higher mileage, that's all.  If the key sessions that get the best out of you happen to give a lower mileage, then so be it.  Plodding out an extra 5 miles a day to add 30 miles to your week won't make you a better marathoner.

20 miles or more?

Posted: 11/02/2016 at 09:34
Sub17ParkRun wrote (see)

In regards to mileage and long runs. The long run should not be more than 33% of your weekly mileage. For 17 to 20 mile long runs you would be running 50 to 60 miles per week. More conservative plans have the long run at 25% of weekly mileage. To run 17 to 20 mile long runs you must be running 70 to 80 miles per week.

When you say 'must' you mean if you want to run to those conservative plans you're referring to.  However it's really not necessary to be that conservative, plenty complete marathons at the front, mid and back of the pack on far fewer weekly miles than that.

The best of the forum

Posted: 10/02/2016 at 15:23

For the perfect combination of sound advice coupled with the best thread title of all time:


Finding running routes in a foreign country

Posted: 09/02/2016 at 12:26

Some good suggestions but bear in mind if you find routes online that they may be summer hiking routes and not necessarily available during ski season.

Out & back routes, along Lit's suggestion, are usually foolproof if a bit dull.  Any attempt to work out anything else ("just turn left 3 times and I'll be back where I started") is guaranteed to end in failure.  One guy on the sub 3 thread managed to turn a 3 miler into 20 using that method!

1 1/2 mile run

Posted: 09/02/2016 at 12:10

I'd already done that Nessie - too bizarre even for this forum!

Panarama - Allan Wells - Drugs

Posted: 05/02/2016 at 15:21
Millsy wrote (see)
There isn't a lot of depth in the top level female races so Paula's result would stick out more than for the men.

You could say the same about the records of Flo-Jo, Koch and Kratochvilova.  There's probably something in what you say, but one of Paula's problems is that there a whole bunch of women's world records that were set by people we now know to have been doping.  Paula is always going to be dragged into that, until someone comes along and beats her record by a minute, then everyone will say they must have been doping...

Has Dr Sanjay killed the London Marathon?

Posted: 04/02/2016 at 22:27

If they hadn't wanted to let 'average runners' (whatever that means) I to the race they'd have limited entries to a few hundred and had a 2:30 qualifying time.  But instead they wanted thousands to do it - anyone who wanted to could do it, with a better chance of getting in than they do now.

Has Dr Sanjay killed the London Marathon?

Posted: 04/02/2016 at 15:13
seren nos wrote (see)
Savernake Ade wrote (see)

no he hasn't 'killed' the London Marathon.

That happened when the event was consumed by the pox of 'golden bonded places', taking it away from 'the people' & into the palms of the charities.


 one of the original reasons why they set it up was to raise money for charity....not just so joe average runner could have a right to run in London..

That's not quite right, or at least stretching things a bit.  The six original aims that were set out for the London Marathon were (quoting from the VLM website):

  • To improve the overall standard and status of British marathon running by providing a fast course and strong international competition.
  • To show mankind that, on occasions, they can be united.
  • To raise money for sporting and recreational facilities in London.
  • To help boost London’s tourism.
  • To prove that ‘Britain is best’ when it comes to organising major events.
  • To have fun, and provide some happiness and sense of achievement in a troubled world.

Only one of those is concerned with charities, and even that is limited to sports facilities.  Now, I suspect that Disley & Brasher couldn't have envisaged the amounts that could be raised, and they may well have been fully supportive of what their baby has become, but the original aims were more about enjoyment of running and improvement than they were about raising money.


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