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Posted: 22/04/2015 at 14:08

I totally agree belief plays a big part in it.

For me when I cracked sub 4 there were two factors in it really. One was that I was well trained and in good form, and I knew it. I still had doubts about going sub 4, but I knew I was on that start line in better shape than ever before. I think for better or worse the second aspect to it for me was anger. I had a failed sub 4 attempt in Amsterdam 2010 and the fail was because I suffered a massive cramp problem at 40km. Until then I was well on target to run that sub 4 time. My anger/determination not to repeat that failure was what drove me through the final 10km in Paris 2012.

I think similarly in Paris this year mentally as well as physically I was ready for it. I knew I was in the best shape I had been in since Paris 2012. I knew I was going to go for that PB time. Once again when I knew it was possible in those final few kilometres and everything hurt I was just telling myself there was no way I was accepting failure.

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Posted: 22/04/2015 at 12:18
kenno wrote (see)

I'm loving hearing about all of your training.  So how did you all do your 1st marathon?  What had you done before that?


First marathon was Disney in January 2007. I hadn't run at all. Not a 5km, nothing. I entered the marathon, book the holiday and then went and bought a pair of running shoes. This was the end of August 2006! I went from zero to marathon in a little over four months. My finishing time was 5:15. I wouldn't promote this entry method into running!

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Posted: 22/04/2015 at 12:15

HiaHS - My biggest running weeks are 55 miles. Those have always fallen in marathon training.

I tend to do the vast majority of my runs alone. The exception would be the times I run with Scott, Helterskelter, ATM, Audrey. I have to admit despite being Scottish I'm not much of a drinker, so when in training I'll either skip nights out or go and drink water as I know I need to run the next day. I never drink at home, unless you count coffee in which case I have a severe drinking problem!

As I've got older I see less and less of my mates. Outside of work the Caledonian Massive would be the people I see most.

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Posted: 22/04/2015 at 10:41

KS - I think you just need to find what works for you. That approach works for me. I know Danniir ran a similar time to me in Tokyo off a run less long runs plan. To be honest the last 10km always stings. I normally just try and tick off each kilometre with much swearing at myself involved! Not sure self abuse is the best approach though!

HiaHS - To be honest for with time for other things I'd personally never want to end up running 60/70 mile weeks. I think I'd give up running before that happened. You're training obviously works wonders for you.

I think this just highlights that you need to find a plan that works for you and your lifestyle. If I ran big mileage weeks constantly I'd be doing nothing but work, run, sleep! I may be a boring git, but I don't want to be that boring. I don't think there is a right and wrong. Certain approaches work best for different people, both in terms of performance and avoiding injury.

I'd actually say that's a huge one. Avoiding injury. I think no matter what plan you are following if you are struggling with injuries you'll never be running anything like your best.

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Posted: 22/04/2015 at 09:50

On the training debate I run on average 4 times a week, with the occasional 5 times a week (normally because I've thrown in a Parkrun to meet some lovely folks from here). During marathon training my weekly average is normally between 35-45 miles per week.

I have a bizarrely unstructured structured schedule. I don't do specific sessions. During the week I run every session hard. I push myself until it hurts and then grind it out until I get back home. My long runs I toddle along at what ever pace is comfortable. The only structure is the days I run and the mileage I do.

Unlike many I find the long runs are key. Three times I've ran 5 x 20 miles (or more 21/22) and every single time from that I've ran sub 4. I've never ran sub 4 off less than that. I also find I need to be regular in my training to perform well. If I train on set days for set mileage I run well. For Loch Ness I took a run when I want approach and while my overall mileage was very similar to previous training campaigns I had a nightmare.

Until this year I'd never done any core work. Prior to Paris this year I did a 30 day plank challenge. I also lost some weight prior to Paris this year. I don't actually own scales, so couldn't tell you how much, but I had to create a new hole in my belt to hold my jeans up! I think that was mostly down to the fact I didn't have a drink from New Year until Corcorans and that from January I didn't buy a single biscuit, crisp or any other snack in my weekly shop.

I think you need to find what works for you. I don't class myself as at all naturally athletic. If I don't train regularly I'm a wreck. I need to batter myself into shape. I literally was the slowest runner as a kid at school. Until I took up running aged 33 I was the one my mates would have pointed at as the no athletic ability at all guy. For me to not be there requires consistency.

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Posted: 20/04/2015 at 10:00

KS - Speaking as someone who has been through it I think the pressure you are putting on yourself to go sub-4 is most likely contributing to the loss of running mojo.

I ended up running sub-4 the first time using the least scientific or measured approach in the history of running. At the start of training for Paris 2012 my times were awful. I was getting frustrated and every step felt like a chore. I took the advise of the good people of the thread to start running and ignore the watch, just try and run for fun. I basically ran every training run from mid-January to race day using my Garmin as a stop watch. I went out and other than my LSR I ran every session as hard as I could. It was amazing that the second I no longer looked at my pace that my times started to tumble.

To this day in races I don't check my watch. Every PB I've ran has been run off instinct rather than using any measurements of time/pace/HR.

TD - Good luck at the Docs.

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Posted: 19/04/2015 at 23:11
Jokeybhoy wrote (see)
Eggy:I would say it definitely affected my run.In training I get to around 15 miles before I start feeling tired,yet after tapering I was tired pretty much from the off

I meant in terms of trying to relax your mind. It's normal to get pre-race gitters, but you have to tell yourself that you've done the work and the next day will be what it will be.

I'm normally fairly laid back the day before the race. Up early for a short run, stay off my feet as much as possible. Unlike RR I don't avoid caffeine, but I don't suffer any sleep issues due to it anyway. early dinner and an early night.

I'm a heavy sleeper naturally, so it's rare I have disturbed sleep, I tend to fall asleep ok, but on marathon night I do tend to wake up a few times, which is something I never do any other night.

It sounds to me like your are getting worked up and stressed. I think you need to find something that will take your mind off the race, actively avoid thinking about it while trying to get to sleep.


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Posted: 19/04/2015 at 22:31

I always get some sleep the night before, but it's never the best. I try and have a few early nights in the week leading up to the race. I certainly find I run better when I've been sleeping well.

In terms of trying to sleep it sounds like you're worrying too much about the race the next day. Mentally I think you need to need to try and tell yourself you've done the training and the next day will be what ever it is. Nothing that you do at that point is going to change that, The work has been done over the months of training. That and if possible try and think of anything else but the race.

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Posted: 19/04/2015 at 20:55

Jokeybhoy - Well done! Great to hear you clocked that sub 4 time.

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Posted: 19/04/2015 at 16:31

Meadower - Great running. That's a couple of great runs this weekend after last weeks efforts.

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