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Snowdonia Marathon 2014

Posted: 11/09/2014 at 09:42

Ali - I agree with Jason re the plan. I can't see the logic of running quicker than marathon pace in a long run and to do that in the 1st half just seems bonkers - no wonder you feel tired in the 2nd half. My 2p would be to throw some target marathon pace miles in the 2nd half of every other one of your long runs, although as Jason says may be a bit late now with it being just over 6 weeks to go. I've done quite a few Snowdonia's off 35miles pw and whilst the lack of miles has kicked in in the last 6 miles of a couple of them I wouldn't say to a marathoner that you can't run a marathon well off that kind of mileage - you've just got to make sure they are the right type of runs rather than running the same kind of pace for each of them. My 2p is that one of the 4 runs has to be a long one (with some quicker stuff thrown in) and 2 of the other 3 should have some quality in them - a mixture of fartlek, hills & intervals.

Massive - I have to disagree with the advice that you should not be running over 20miles, although it does depend on what pace you are running at - clearly if you are running it at target marathon pace then you are going to increase the risk of injury. In my opinion time on feet is as important as the miles - I always start my long runs at least 1 minute quicker than target marathon pace (quite often mara pace +1m15-1m30s) before picking up the pace after a few miles - as mentioned above I will throw in some miles at target marathon pace in the 2nd half of my long runs. Also, with Snowdonia I try and mimic the race profile by throwing in the hills, where I will put in a bit of extra effort on the climbs, then recover on the descents.

brer - good look with this weekends 2 marathons - if you do ever decide to put together details of your marathons, with your thoughts of the various events, courses, organisation, atmosphere, toughness etc perhaps best not mimic trex otherwise it will be like War & Peace!?

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Posted: 09/09/2014 at 08:53

brer - that has to be all marathon runners worst nightmares - the fact that you were not able to resolve the issue straight after the race must have made it worse!? I shouldn't laugh, but.... Congrats on another top finish - I don't know how you keep on churning them out (the marathons/podium finishes that is!). How many is that now? I am sure you do more marathons in 6 months than I've done in 8 years - since 2007, I'm up to 15, with 7 Snowdonia's - thus next month half of the marathons I'd have done would have been Snowdonias!! You should pull together a marathon guide, giving your thoughts on all the marathons which you have done to date!?

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Posted: 04/09/2014 at 08:59

Just a heads up for a cracking 30k race, which is taking place on Sunday October 5th (start time 10.30 I think) and is great prep for Snowdonia, particularly given that it includes the section between Rhyd Du and Waunfawr and has some decent climbs! It's called the Four Lakes race and it starts & finishes in Rhosgadfan (not far from Caernarfon)

Snowdonia Marathon 2014

Posted: 27/08/2014 at 22:21

Sorry brer - could have mentioned the weather, but with Snowdonia the weather is so varied - not just does it vary so much year to year, but it can vary so much during the race itself. I recall 2008, when the organisers were close to cancelling the race - thankfully they didn't - not many marathons where you have to climb over trees which had just been blown over!! No point worrying about the weather - part of what is a fantastic event, although I really do feel sorry for the marshals/spectators who have to endure the elements. I think runners should just turn up full prepared for all weather types and decide on the day what best to wear


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Posted: 27/08/2014 at 08:45

Hi mouser - good advice from chimney. I'd say don't work yourself up about the race - it is one to enjoy - take in the atmosphere and the scenery and don't stress out re the climbs. There are 3 main climbs - the 1st one up the Pass (goes on for about 2.5miles in total) is quite steady. Chimney is spot on re recovering on the descent on the road to the Pen-y-Gwryd - just stretch the legs out, lean forward & let gravity be your friend. I should add that after the turning by the PYG hotel the route turns off the main road and continues down a rocky track for just under a mile - not the best running surface and will be slippery if wet so need to have your wits about you! Back on to a single lane road before a short sharp climb back onto the main road to Beddgelert - a nice 5 mile'ish pretty flat stretch to Beddgelert (half way) where there is a great atmosphere - smile for the cameras!! Out of Beddgelert there is quite a long drag which catches quite a few runners out - goes up for a couple of miles, before a slight drop to Rhyd Ddu (about 16.5miles) then undulating to mile22 - Waunfawr!! There is a short steep climb before turning right and the Bwlch-y-Groes climb, which as chimney says most runners will walk up at least parts off (including runners in the top 10!!) - I've seen people walk/run up it quicker than runners who try to run all the way up it!! After the top it is a drop down to Llanberis although you need to take care on the way down as the 1st part of the descent is on grass/track and many a runner takes a tumble on that section - back onto the tarmac it is quite a steep descent into Llanberis before a run in along the high street to the finish

Thanks chimney - yes had a very enjoyable run with my club mate (very rare that I do my long runs with company and at a reasonably social time!!). I'm training properly for this one given its significance and my training seems to be paying dividends - had to hold back for my club mate on the climbs - hopefully do a few more long runs with him (including sections of the Snowdonia course)

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Posted: 22/08/2014 at 10:24

I must admit to having considered having a go at an ultra, but decided that the desire to remain married is stronger - difficult enough trying to fit in the training to prepare for a marathon. That said I'm being a bit selfish with my preparation for this Snowdonia as I want to be the best prepared I can be this time - got my 1st post 8am 20miler tomorrow morning (usually 6am 20milers - getting back before family get up!) -including a couple of laps of the Great Orme with a clubmate, who is aiming for a top finish at the race - finishing off with a climb up the tram tracks towards the top of the Orme to kind of replicate The Waunfawr climb. Should be fun!

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Posted: 16/08/2014 at 21:21

LE - I don't seem to be able to send you a message direct on RW - email me at & I will forward my clubmates email address so that you can liaise with him re place

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Posted: 16/08/2014 at 21:15

LE - have had a messaged from my clubmate to say the the place is still going - I've messaged him back to say you want it - have asked him if OK for me to message you his email address to sort out the transfer process

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Posted: 16/08/2014 at 20:21

Cheers jd - hope your 20miler goes well - 1st 20miler since March for me tomorrow!

LE - a clubmate told me yesterday he wasn't going to do the race this year (unable to get training in) - I will ask him if the place is still going

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Posted: 16/08/2014 at 10:37

(sorry, that should be FR, not RF. Also so sorry to hear that the L100 didn't go well for you, particularly given the time and effort you put into it)

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