Peter Collins

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Has Dr Sanjay killed the London Marathon?

Posted: 05/02/2016 at 13:06

senidM wrote (see)
Well, if the VLM is so altruistic in its attitudes to charity fund raising, why does it charge so much for Golden Bonds, why not simply allocate on a deserving basis?

I think that the VLM making money out of charging charities is morally bankrupt, just my opinion, and I can't see any argument in its favour. If VLM need the money, why do they pay obscene amounts in appearance/prize money?

As you may tell, not a fan of VLM, but hypocritical enough to use it for my own ends, i.e. fund raising, just would never contemplate a Golden Bond entry.

The point you make in your second paragraph is actually a very good one, but I can't really be bothered to trawl through their accounts to find out whether they do anything specific with the gold and silver bond money. They'd probably say, if asked that it goes into all sorts of elements of the organisation, including its own charity, but I'm guessing on that. It's worth remembering, whatever the morality of charging for the bonds, that all fundraising costs money in some way - David Bedford reckoned in 2007 that the price of £300 for a gold bond brought in more than £2000 for a charity, which is a decent fundraising ratio. You have to remember it's about getting the name of the charity out there too, in which sense being 'in' the event is priceless.

Has Dr Sanjay killed the London Marathon?

Posted: 05/02/2016 at 13:00
VDOT52 wrote (see)
London is what it is, a fun run for the fundraising masses. The elite and club championship side of it is still only there because it helps keep the profile up. If the could they'd do away win having to pay huge prize money to the ember and just keep all the funds for whatever cause they would rather spend it on. If folk can't be arsed to train to get a gfa spot then they don't really want to do it as a ember and therefore they still have the charity route to use if they fancy getting on the telly. It is what it is.

I'm not sure this is quite true, considering it's one of the strongest fields for a marathon ever this year...

Has Dr Sanjay killed the London Marathon?

Posted: 04/02/2016 at 16:23

In what way is it unhealthy financially? If I'm reading this thread right, most people's objection to the charity connection is that they think it's keeping 'real runners' out, or getting in the way of promoting fitness - that's a different debate.

Feeling awful after long runs

Posted: 04/02/2016 at 16:21

Just on a slightly different tack - I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism a few years ago. It seemed to come on fairly suddenly - halfway through a run my energy levels would collapse and I would have to stop. Little white pills are my saviour! This sounds a bit different, but maybe if you can't find a way through fuel to get to the bottom of this, perhaps a blood test is in order...

How can this happen?

Posted: 04/02/2016 at 16:16
Muttley wrote (see)

Isn't there a thing called collective purpose in which everyone in a group of people that commits an offence can be charged, even if it's not clear who, for example, was giving someone a kicking and who was standing by and egging them on?

In this case, though, they don't know who was driving, nor was anyone 'egging' them on. It's worth remembering that one of the biggest miscarriages of justice in this country - the execution of Derek Bentley - was to do with 'common purpose'. 

Has Dr Sanjay killed the London Marathon?

Posted: 04/02/2016 at 16:12
Cheerful Dave wrote (see)
seren nos wrote (see)
Savernake Ade wrote (see)

no he hasn't 'killed' the London Marathon.

That happened when the event was consumed by the pox of 'golden bonded places', taking it away from 'the people' & into the palms of the charities.


 one of the original reasons why they set it up was to raise money for charity....not just so joe average runner could have a right to run in London..

That's not quite right, or at least stretching things a bit.  The six original aims that were set out for the London Marathon were (quoting from the VLM website):

  • To improve the overall standard and status of British marathon running by providing a fast course and strong international competition.
  • To show mankind that, on occasions, they can be united.
  • To raise money for sporting and recreational facilities in London.
  • To help boost London’s tourism.
  • To prove that ‘Britain is best’ when it comes to organising major events.
  • To have fun, and provide some happiness and sense of achievement in a troubled world.

Only one of those is concerned with charities, and even that is limited to sports facilities.  Now, I suspect that Disley & Brasher couldn't have envisaged the amounts that could be raised, and they may well have been fully supportive of what their baby has become, but the original aims were more about enjoyment of running and improvement than they were about raising money.


My theory, for what it's worth (nothing, probably) is that the organisers of the LM were unsure in the 80s whether it was going to take off and went down the charity route in order to help the thing grow and to court public opinion (this was an age, remember, before charities were routinely, and mostly unfairly, accused of being money-grubbing monoliths that pay their top staff six-figure salaries). Golden bonds secured the future of the LM, in their eyes, as a mass event that also did some good. My feeling, having run it twice (and will never do so again) is that it is what it is and, anyway, there are so many other marathons now you can pick and choose if you really don't like the London one.

Has Dr Sanjay killed the London Marathon?

Posted: 04/02/2016 at 16:08
Kattefjaes wrote (see)

With regard to the title of this thread, it would appear that Betteridge's law of headlines is alive and well.


SideBurn wrote (see)

My first thought was that if someone dies of a heart attack in the street the newspapers don't give a s**t; who cares beyond their friends and family? It happens every day.

Unless of course they are running a Marathon at the time, then it is newsworthy.



RicF wrote (see)

I agree, the 'London' has turned into an organised charity fest. I doubt if much more than 2% of the money ever gets to the cause.


Completely fact-free assertion, I'm afraid, Ric. If you're unclear about whether a charity is actually getting money to its cause area, you can check the ratio in their annual report. I can assure you that if a charity was getting only 2% of donations to its cause area it would be thrown off the charity register.

How can this happen?

Posted: 04/02/2016 at 12:14

Unfortunately, I think the police are over a barrel here - if you really can't identify who was driving, you can't charge anyone. Horrible situation for them and obviously for the cyclist. I'm not sure what you could change to improve the situation.

Press ups challenge for 2016

Posted: 27/01/2016 at 16:13
Nice try wrote (see)

Still managing to keep up to date with this 25, 26 and 27 done.

Struggling to post much as with being an accountant and self assessment deadline this week - work is slightly manic.

Press ups, pull ups all good for the core. Speaking of which GMB (I don't really watch it...honest) has been having a plank competition this month and an old guy did 25 minutes this morning - gulp...

The world record is something like 5hrs15 minutes for a plank....

Are you faster than this bitch?

Posted: 27/01/2016 at 16:03

I reckon its twin took over halfway through. Time for the tabloids to investigate.

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