Piggyback Rideplease

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Posted: 23/01/2016 at 16:37
RicF wrote (see)

I drink tea and coffee continuously. I notice nothing at all. Sleep for hours.

The more you drink, the more you need for it to have much effect.


Posted: 23/01/2016 at 14:06

I had a 200mg caffeine tablet 30 mins before an hour long run. I don't normally drink much coffee (1 espresso / work day), a bit more tea, perhaps 4 - 5 cups / day. Not long into my run I felt like superman. That was a Sunday morning. I then couldn't sleep most of the night and work was grim the next day.

I decided to leave the caffeine pills alone but to try a few espressos prior to a run. I just poured a normal size cup of it from the coffee maker (that has no measurement thing) and assumed it would about right. Again, I felt like super man and while not even aiming for it broke a recent 5K and 10K time while on a long-ish run (i.e. not meant to be at full pelt). On getting home I poured the rest of the espresso out of the maker... there was only about 1 espresso worth left and the thing makes 9! So 8 espressos prior to a run. I don't recommend this as, again, I couldn't sleep properly that night even though my run was at about 8:30am.

I've been trying a spot of caffeine to burn some fat. Sure, it gives a boost if you're not use to it but I think I'd give it a miss if I didn't have a need to burn that fat because the next day can be horrible.

Burn fat to avoid possibly fatal surgery...

Posted: 29/12/2015 at 18:40
Dave The Iron Ex- Spartan wrote (see)

Could you apply for parts in Dr Who ?

Now there's a thought! 

Burn fat to avoid possibly fatal surgery...

Posted: 29/12/2015 at 11:24

Well, I have now just come off the phone from speaking to my doctor and I think that it was a very worthwhile conversation. The posts from people have also been useful because it prompted me to ask if the lump is in a sac, as Screamapillar thought. Screamapillar is correct, it is in a thin membrane "capsule". I also got the name of the thing, it is a "lipoma". I also asked about how the body triggers the breakdown of fat and if it would affect the lump. The doctor said that he was not aware of any papers on this but that, based on body chemistry and the biology of the lipoma, added fat burning will result in an increased amount being taken from the lump.

So, increasing fat burning will help after all.

I accept that the lipoma is never going away without surgery, however, given the risks I want to put that off as long as I can. If I get it to shrink and then stop my activity then the lump will grow again. At some stage of life I expect it will be hard to maintain sufficient activity but that should be a long way off.

Now what I want to know is what will make enough difference. I expect that the equation is something along the lines that the faster the lump grows normally the faster it can be made to shrink because the chemical signalling breakdown of fat will arrive more freely (than if the thing is slow growing). This has upsides and downsides. I expect it will be a lot of effort regardless. It will be less effort if the lump is fast growing but then if I have an injury I'll have more to catch up on later.

The doctor is going to run off the report from my first MRI so I have the dimension to compare. Of course, I will have to stump up for another MRI if I want to establish progress... and I will probably need to do an MRI shortly and then another after an extended fat burn "plan" to see if what I'm doing is having any effect. Not sure if I can afford it yet, (quote request has gone out). Anyone got a handy MRI scanner  ?

Burn fat to avoid possibly fatal surgery...

Posted: 29/12/2015 at 10:44

I saw the specialist several times when the lump was first spotted. This was over a short period while they sent me for various tests ending up with an MRI that I was told established the lump was made of fat and that it came with the awkward treatment issues mentioned (nerve pathways and artery) plus worse odds than Russian roulette.

The specialist said that the lump would continue to grow and that at some point it would probably cause problems for me. He suggested what sounds like trivial things such as soreness shaving, (and the social/cosmetic aspect too of having a clearly visible thing on my neck). He said he would leave it to me to decided if/when to operate. That was sometime in 2014 I think.

Reading running books over the Christmas break that talk about how you can train to burn fat in preference to carbs left me thinking that perhaps something like that might help. I have Googled it but not come across anything factual or especially useful.

Screamapillar guesses that the tissue is contained in a sac. I didn't know that was how they tend to form. I still presume that to get fat in there, sac or not, it still takes blood to transport it to the site. The same blood that transports fat away from other sites as it breaks down.

You are all probably right. But I see no harm in finding out for sure and I assume that the posts above are opinion so, although I am listening to you, I will try to find out something concrete.


Burn fat to avoid possibly fatal surgery...

Posted: 29/12/2015 at 00:01

As mentioned, I plan to get the specialist opinion. Getting an appointment tends to take a while.

I appreciate the input mentioning that if I keep asking then I will find a forum that gives an answer that basically says running will do the trick, I'm aware of that. I think there's a fair number of people saying that. You are right. At this point you don't need to remind me again, thanks.

If anyone has some input useful beyond that, e.g. pointing to why this is futile or whatever with some science behind it then that would be appreciated too.

Burn fat to avoid possibly fatal surgery...

Posted: 28/12/2015 at 15:35

I'm not expecting diet to be the fix. I'm hoping that exercise will, (even if only partly).

I'd expect that cutting a vital artery would be news and that it is fairly rare but it was mentioned as a risk. I also don't want to be left with nerve damage. The specialist said nerve damage in this area could result in loss of jaw control (so eating, drinking, speaking, dribble control etc. all affected) or loss of use of all or part of an arm. The risk of a problem was put at 30% which seems extremely high to me.

Even if I only delay getting to the point where surgery is required it guarantees more years without those problems. Doing nothing won't delay things.

Sure, there's a 70% chance that things will be fine. But that's not good enough to make me happy with the risk. If I can put the risk off without causing further risk then it seems like a good move.

Whilst I don't know how the biology of this works, i.e. how exercise will affect removal of fat from an unusual place, I don't know if this will do anything useful but my understanding is that fat is normally removed roughly in proportion to how much of it there is. So, something vaguely like, if 10g of fat is going and 50% of fat is on your belly then around 5g will go from there. Or perhaps it's down to how many "depositors" of fat there are at a site which presumably are also able to carry the fat away when the process is reversed. If the later is the case then I'm in luck because for the lump to be noticeable implies more depositors. It could also mean more depositors and that the removal mechanism is something else of which there are fewer.

Seems like the feeling from posters so far is that although running may do no harm, it's a dead cert that it won't help in the way that I imagine it will. Perhaps someone who knows about how fat deposits (in these "lump" cases) and how fat absorbs during exercise can offer their view.


Burn fat to avoid possibly fatal surgery...

Posted: 28/12/2015 at 14:43
M...eldy wrote (see)

The only way you will reduce that lump with running is probably beating it hard with a pair of trainers ....

Even if running does not get rid of the lump but helps to keep it under control, that's enough. It's been there more than a year since the lump was spotted (by a hair dresser). Hard to say how much it has grown as I don't have a handy MRI or 3D scanner etc. I've not been running for most of that time, I'd hit an injury, missed another marathon so took time off (and I'd not thought of this as an additional reason to get back into the running until last night).

If I do nothing, the specialist says it will grow. He didn't say that if I do something, such as running, it will not grow as much or will shrink but I will try anyway.

When you accumulate fat normally, if you do lots of exercise, you can get rid of that fat. I'm told this neck lump is fat. Sure, there must be a reason for it to keep accumulating there but if I do something to make my body burn fat, I don't see why some of it won't be taken from there too.

Of course, I could be wrong. Being wrong isn't a problem as I'm going to run anyway but I might just change some of my plan to target fat burning more, (even though I am not over weight).

Burn fat to avoid possibly fatal surgery...

Posted: 28/12/2015 at 13:35

If it's fat, it will burn.

I don't think the specialist expects to tell people to do more exercise to solve their fat related problems. Perhaps, in the case of fat lumps, it's not come to mind with the people I've dealt with yet. The usual medical path is pills, intervention, surgery etc. with most things. A "specialist" told me that I should forget running anymore (due to a knee injury, nothing to do with the fat lump). But I got back to running anyway. The specialist frequently seem to be following a menu of treatment paths and don't always think for themselves. Perhaps most patients would simply not be willing to put in the necessary effort so the doctors don't want to bother telling people. I don't know. But the body can be made to burn fat so I'm going to give it a go.


I'm going to give it a go because, if a surgeon is unable to do the job as well as the body, (because the body will not accidentally cut nerves or arteries to dissolve fat) then I'm happy to put the work in if I can. Better than the risk factors surgery brings and no added risk by running that I'm aware of.

I will try to speak to the specialist (but from past experience it will take months as, being over 50, I'm not at the priority end of the spectrum and in any case the medical issue does not stop me doing things, yet, so the delay is OK).

Meanwhile I will press on but it would be great if someone can tell me anything useful from a medical perspective or their own experience of similar trials & the outcome.

Burn fat to avoid possibly fatal surgery...

Posted: 28/12/2015 at 13:00
Mr Puffy wrote (see)

I'm sorry but you are clutching at straws, even if running did "Burn" fat you couldn't target the lump, anymore than I can target my belly.

OK, that's fine. So I can simply aim for higher fat burn runs then but am I still p*ssin' into wind or is fat burning, (as I hope), a body wide mechanism that will nibble a bit of the lump slowly over time?

And if I can slowly erode the lump what amount of running am I going to have to aim for? I've probably done about 300 miles over the last 3 months so I think I will be needing to exceed that, as I'm not noticing anything useful yet (but I don't know much it would have changed without the running and I'm assuming every bit of exercise will help). Obviously it's a tricky equation and I don't expect an exact solution but I hoped someone might have come across something similar before.

If someone medical does come across this, the lump appeared some time following a bike accident that left me with a canted atlas vertebra. There may have been stretching the neck muscles on the right side during the accident or it could be added constant stretch due to the atlas position. I'm guessing that the fatty lump is a response to all that but could be unrelated. The specialist didn't offer a reason for the fatty lump but I'm clearly not unique in having one.

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