The Jimbob


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Paris Marathon 2015

Posted: 19/01/2015 at 12:51

Indeed you are a different animal from this time last year. I'm sure you could run a full-on marathon a week apart . My main point is that anyone running a long run should note the intensity. If the recovery is 3-4 days - they are probably going too hard and would jeopardise the following week's training. Also, someone building from scratch would not do a 20 miler straight off the bat. You build it .... so probably better to measure the long run with time on feet to start with  - 60 mins, 75 mins 90 mins etc rather than the pressure of trying to hit distances that you might not be ready for.

Paris Marathon 2015

Posted: 19/01/2015 at 11:45

I think as you get more experienced at running them, you can be bolder with pacing them. Paris 2013 I ran without fear but I played a percentage game and saved a few Scooby snacks in reserve. I probably had an extra few percent of effort stored just in case things got on top. As it was only my second marathon it felt right to save a bit.

In my most recent (7th) marathon and went for it and tried to pace it to my level/fitness.  Did pretty well although tired the last couple of miles and missed my target by a couple of minutes.

TD - we've talked about that line of being able to run the marathon getting the best possible performance, but not overcooking it. It's a fine line and experience at the distance will teach you how to do that. It's tough tho' - you can do everything right and then "on the day" comes into play.

Paris Marathon 2015

Posted: 19/01/2015 at 10:47

that is true- a lot of first timers go in thinking it'll be a one off and just get round (which is all you need to do on your first) - finishing the race will be a PB and a great achievement. With those stats, they could probably be alright to go for early 9s and fade to 10s with a little death march late on - that's on paper though.  We all know that the marathon can eat you up and spit you out, so a bit of caution on your first ever time at the distance is sensible. Marathon pace at 10 minute miling is pot on.  

 

Paris Marathon 2015

Posted: 19/01/2015 at 10:03

For me the marathon is a race and I wouldn't be running my long runs at marathon pace. I will throw in a portion of marathon pace into one of my last long runs before tapering begins. The long run to me is a training session to build endurance and train the body to burn fat/store glycogen. It's not a rehearsal of the marathon. I'd knacker myself pretty quickly if I was doing marathon paced long runs every week.

Tim when you talk about softness of marathon pace, are you saying that some people would not run it as fast they are capable of? I don't think it matters whether you are a 3 hour or 4 hour runner, If you are talking about running within yourself, then yes I guess you could do marathon pace on every long run, and if when you come to run the marathon you could only run at long run pace, but who does that? surely (most) people try to do their best whatever their level.

Paris Marathon 2015

Posted: 19/01/2015 at 07:40

Yip, that's similar to my school of thought. I wouldnt want to be on feet for 3 hours. Save that for the big day. Of course running 20 miles in 2:20 and 2:35 is a big difference in effort and I would definitely err on the slow side. A 2:20 would knacker my hopes of a meaniful speed session 2 days later.

For the slower runner, targetting a 4:30, it will be hard to do 20 miles too many times in training without doing a 4hour time on feet run. So doing it time on feet rather than distance is a more sensible play, most plans say up to 2.5 hours. However if it were me, I'd go over 3 hours a couple of times and hit 20 miles in distance at least once.

Paris Marathon 2015

Posted: 18/01/2015 at 22:56

Tinks, the 20 miler was good, kept the HR low as intended and at 140 bpm, was pleasing. Did what it said on the tin. These days I'm taking the long run slower. It's still a quality session, but any quicker would jeopardise the next quality session (which happens to be on Tuesday evening) 

HIAHS, re the high midweek mileage after recovering from a long run. Firstly it's not as high as I want it to at, but it's getting there. The key is more easy running/recovery running.  Toughening up the legs so they so they can take more and still getting the quality in 2 to 3 times a week and making those sessions count. And come Sunday night, the reset button is pushed and I'm thinking about the next week. it's possible you are running the long run too hard if you're not able to recover quickly enough. 

one thing about going to higher mileage, build it up gradually. I'm in my third year of marathon campaigns and I'm increasing gradually. I probably won't hit 70 miles in training this cycle, but maybe (hopefully) for the Autumn marathon campaign ???? Anyway that's another time. Must focus only on the next run. 

 

Sub 3

Posted: 18/01/2015 at 11:52
And that's 20 in the can at 7:48/140bpm .... Enjoy your Sunday peeps

Paris Marathon 2015

Posted: 18/01/2015 at 07:59
RFR2, I'd recommend hitting double figures in miles per run twice a week at least. Your long slow run on a Sunday could be 2 hours building up to 3-3.5 as the training goes on. The other long run could be shorter at 80-90 mins with a little more pace. You need to get plenty of miles into those legs.

Sub 3

Posted: 17/01/2015 at 22:03

Dan, fantastic run fella. 

Tmoth-you nutter!

nice parkruns CD an TT 

welcome back Al-p. Good luck with your quest. Hope the niggles stay away. you'll do well at your target races i'm sure. 

hoping to go long with Heathside tomorrow to tip the mileage into the mid 50s. We'll see......

Paris Marathon 2015

Posted: 15/01/2015 at 22:14
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Must have cake ......

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