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Paris Marathon 2016

Posted: 15/10/2015 at 17:10
Eggyh73 wrote (see)

All my best marathons have been run in the least scientific way possible!

I think I'm a bit of a freak to be honest. I rarely look at my time and run races off instinct. For instance in Paris this year I wanted to beat my previous PB, set there in 2012. I knew I was in good shape as I'd ran a half PB on a difficult course three weeks previously, which gave me the confidence to decide I was going for that target. I wanted to match my split at the halfway point from 2012, which was 1:51. I did exactly that and I'd only checked my watch once, at 5km because I know I have a tendency to start off too fast. I came in with a new PB, two minutes faster the old one. Basically I faded less than in 2012.

In Stockholm when I knocked another three minutes off my PB I wasn't running for a time, just trying to keep a pace I was comfortable with, and only started to think I could run a good time as I went through the halfway point in 1:50, a minute up on Paris.

When I ran my half PB just before fracturing my foot I didn't check my watch at all! In fact in halfs or less I never check my pace/time.


you are a bit of a freak! (never done an interval session in yer life and all that!)

I'd have a few quid on you taking more chunks off those PBs if you were a teeny bit more scientific and did those VO2 Max sessions, be it reps on the track, spin classes, circuit training whatever..... the rest of your training is decent as far as marathon training goes. Obviously you have been woefully unlucky with the injuries, otherwise you would have moved your PBs on further. Still, the boot's off and Eggys back on the move so watch this space ....

Paris Marathon 2016

Posted: 15/10/2015 at 17:04
last out of the water wrote (see)
I have 2 Marathan training plans, one is 20 weeks the second is 16 weeks. They both obviously get me to the same place, the start line. My question is, is 20 weeks too long, burn out, injury.

How long do you prepare?

18 weeks for spring15 campaign. Ran Boston / London double. No burn out in training, but felt like dead volcano by the end of London

18 weeks for Autumn15 campaign. Marathon in 3 days. Still feel a bit heavy so lets see ..... (no more running planned till then)

Paris Marathon 2016

Posted: 15/10/2015 at 14:49
Heroine in a half-shell wrote (see)

Pacing is much easier said than done, as Dannirr is alluding to. Even working out what pace to aim for in the first place is quite difficult, it has to be based on a realistic calculation of how your training has gone, and on a well-timed half marathon race I think.

What do the experienced runners do to work out what pace to target?

And at what point should one be setting that target pace?

For me personally, my tune up race 4 or 5 weeks out from the big day. Only problem with that is that I have about 3 months of marathon training in the legs when I do the tune up, so I may never deliver my best performance in said tune up. So my calculation is based on how fast I ran in a half 5 weeks out. Use a calculator like macmillan to work out the marathon equivalent, do the race at that pace and hope for the best.

There are still variables that effect you on the day, a very slight headwind, you're maintaining target pace, but working that slight bit harder, burning that slight bit more energy, depleting your glycogen ahead of time.

As PJ Frizzle, says you could get a more scientific training plan, monitor the paces a bit more, monitor fitness, gains more frequently as well general improvements and adjust the plan accordingly along the way and then set your target based on a 5k time trial about 7-10 days out.

Then all you have is go out and execute, and boy that is hard, all the on the day variables come into play. It really is a test to run that close to LT for that time, for that distance, making the glycogen last for the full distance, so that when you cross that line, you have nothing more to give, you've done your absolute best to produce that performance. Most people can't, but you know you've had a good day, when your splits are even and you run a very slight positive or negative split. I love that stage in a race (it's only happened a couple of times) where you are well clear of 20 miles, and you want to push the pace on a bit, and just on feel your are able to divide up that energy you have left to last you for the distance left in front of you. It's very satisfying, because if you get to that stage, it means you've done everything right so far.


Amsterdam 2015

Posted: 15/10/2015 at 09:53

OK final run down. Now for the rest. (blimmin' training cycle is over)

Stats for the geeky.

18 weeks plan 784.7 miles

not as much as my spring campaign

18 weeks plan 809.1 miles

to be fair I punished myself over Christmas and January as I was eating loads and I was also "top loading" the plan in January in case we had a prolonged snow/ice period (which never really happened for more than a couple of days)

Amsterdam 2015

Posted: 14/10/2015 at 13:31

Yes HIAHS .... I did it yesterday .... except I started of steady and eased up to half pace arriving through the doors of my office panting, sweating with a red face! it's a good look - will try again tomorrow (via the cheap running gear sale in Aldi)

Good point about the disposable clothes .... it's gonna be chilly on Sunday morning and I think I might go for a 48 hour travel pass €10.50 with the voucher that arrived with the confirmation letter

Amsterdam 2015

Posted: 13/10/2015 at 23:03
Stuchbury ..... don't you mean stop worrying and put the kettle on?

Paris Marathon 2016

Posted: 13/10/2015 at 11:28
..... drinking cold beers and eating hamburgers ......

Amsterdam 2015

Posted: 13/10/2015 at 07:39

yeah I've already started loading as well  ..... feeling like a blob. Btw AA I pm'd you last week......  

The tracking app doesn't pick up the runners yet when you try to load them into favourites. I'm sure it'll start working soon

Amsterdam 2015

Posted: 12/10/2015 at 16:46
Heroine in a half-shell wrote (see)

Well this race came up rather quicker than I'd expected. All that training that I had planned .... don't know what happened to it all but it definitely didn't get done! Hoohum, it's going to be very painful on SUNDAY!! Yep, SUNDAY!! Oh God!!

I'm going to do something a bit different for this one, normally I do about 10 miles in the week of the marathon, and I do it at a jog. But I read somewhere that you should blast it for a couple of miles in the lead up, so I might try that! In for a penny and all that, can't make it much worse than I've already made it for myself, I've basically been tapering since August!  

I'll do exactly that HIAHS, maybe 2 x 5 (or 6) mile runs progressing from a jog pace and winding up through the gears to the last couple of miles at almost half marathon pace. Just to rev the engine really. I plan no running on Friday and Saturday mind.

New York Marathon 2015

Posted: 11/10/2015 at 08:19
Alright Electric Sheep! Hope the training is going well for NYC. I've not posted on Sub3 for a while but will drop in soon. My usual haunt is the Paris thread. I'll see you back at the Red Lion next year I'm sure.

Jonah8. Hello again (from Boston thread). Good luck also. I'm also in the hunt for the 6, may not do the them all sub3 though! However if I run a sub3 in Tokyo in Feb and London in April I may have to consider my targets. So I'm in Tokyo through the ballot and heading over on my own so maybe catch up over there.

I've heard NYC is the toughest. Paula at her best was 4 or 5 mins slower than London so that says it all really. I'm targeting New York 2016. It's right what you say about Boston, Heartbreak not being all that bad. Coming from North London I run hills steeper than that every day. The problem with Heartbreak/Newton Hills section of the course is the timing of it. The first part of the race is so fast people use up most of their scooby snacks and then have no energy and then a lot of them death march that bit as it gradually rises for a few miles. As long as you pace sensibly and execute a good race strategy it's fine.

Anyway good luck you 3 and anyone else taking part. I'll drop back in after the event to see how you got on. I've got Amsterdam and Florence coming up so plenty to keep me on my toes. (and on the roller)
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