what about trail asics lahar?? (am also looking for trail shoes)

I'll second that.Good on firmer trails and bits of tarmac and excellent grip on mud.a good all round compromise

Hi all, I normally wear Brooks GTS Adrenaline's, and run on a mixture of road and trails. Recently the trails parts have turned very  muddy and I'm slipping all over the shop. Any recommendation for any decent shoes out there which are good for a mix of road and trail, I was thinking about the Adrenaline ASR as I am very happy with the GTS, but ASR doesn't get such good reviews.

I run in Asics Enduros, did all my cross country races in them and as I run off road only I use them mainly and I love them. I even ran a road marathon in them but for different reasons as I do not have a paitr of road running shoes. I agree they are all over trail, have been eyeing Mudclaws for muddy trails, have got Inov8 leaflet and these are supposed to be for soft surface. But then also fell in love with Salomon Speedcross, they will do fine for muddy trails and some road sections.

The inov8 "terrain" recommendations I have found to be pretty much spot on.For soft stuff, the Mudclaws stick like "stuff" to a wool blanket but the rubber studs are fairly soft i.e. on harder stuff, they will wear out fairly quickly. For muddy trails I tend to stick to Roclites but also use a pair of Mudrocs as well.A few pals have had issues with heel rubbing on the Mudclaws - fairly sure this will have been covered elsewhere on the forums somewhere but it is possible to steam and remould the plastic heel counter in the shoes using hot water and steam. Simply wait till the plastic feels "soft", stick them on (with your ususal running socks) tie the laces and go for a short run. The plastic then moulds to your own heel shape !