Reader To Reader: Getting over an eating disorder
One RW member is frightened that she'll gain weight if she eats to fuel her running. Here's how you responded
We all know that running can help us control our weight, improve our fitness and, crucially, make us feel better about ourselves. But all these things are complicated when you're suffering or recovering from an eating disorder. This week's question was emailed to me by Amanda, a former ED sufferer who still worries about gaining weight – and whose weekly running programme is pretty intense for someone who's only been running for a year.
"I am a 41-year-old woman, and I started running just over a year ago. Every week I do one 15-mile hilly run, one 10-mile hilly run, one 40-min speed session, one 4-mile fast run and two 6-mile runs. I used to suffer from an eating disorder and have always been a size 8. Running is helping me with recovery mentally, but I am still terrified of gaining weight. If I eat 2,000 calories a day of the right foods, am I likely to gain weight? Should I eat more or less, or exercise mor or less?" – Amanda
Your best answers
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You're not over it – and you're not alone
Amanda, you still have a lot of the features of an eating disorder: worrying about weight gain and body size, calorie-counting, concern about "the right foods" and, I suspect, using running primarily as a means to control your weight. There are a lot of people out there, and on this forum, who are in exactly the same position as you are. And that's OK. Eating disorders are common. People come to running from all sorts of backgrounds and with all sorts of hopes and expectations, and lots of athletes have disordered or obsessive attitudes to food.But I don't think the advice you can get from here is enough. Ideally, I'd like someone like you, who is running lots of miles, to be under the supervision of a coach who has a special interest and personal expertise in working with athletes who also have eating disorders. At the very least, I'd to think that you're getting advice from a sensible, empathetic dietician. The concrete answer to your question is that unless you're about 3'6" tall, on that training load you are unlikely to put on weight on 2,000 calories a day of any sort of foods. If you're a 4'11" size 8, it might just be enough to maintain your weight. Any taller and it won't be enough. As for exercising less or more... you're already doing a substantial mileage for someone who's only been running for a year, and I wouldn't advise pushing it any higher at the moment. An injury and an enforced break from running at the moment might just tip you back into a spiral of dysfunctional eating and despair, and nobody wants that for you. – Velociraptor
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Forget calories
Untold misery lies in being obsessed by calories, "good and bad" food, and the need to purge or compensate for calories taken in to the body, whether by being sick or by over-exercising, both of which are obvious means to compensate. Weighing every day induces panic: on gaining a pound or two, we know intellectually this may be linked to the time of the month or fluid balance but the lower brain tends to dominate and the reaction may well be one of fear and self loathing.I get the feeling from your letter that you're trying so hard to recover, but you're still caught in the loop of measuring exercise against calories and panicking about weight. If you're anything like average weight and height, you're not eating enough to sustain your programme of running or, crucially, to make you feel well, happy and healthy when you're not running. Take a step back and think: is this helping me recover or taking over from other kinds of disordered behaviour? I'd urge you to look for other help too, through the NHS, a private counsellor, the EDA, online. There is a lot of information out there. – Vinnycat
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Check out the RW archive
RW did a very useful article, with a long accompanying thread you might want to have a look at. However this isn't something you should try to tackle with 'self-help'. Eating disorders are far too likely to kill you, and they should not be messed around with.I had to take more than a year off running after I was discharged from treatment. Partly because I was a mess physically, but also because I was using running as another way to self-harm. I had to be sure I was running for the right reasons. When I did get back to running, it really helped to join a club. It really helped me get some perspective on a normal healthy approach to running and food, and it also helped me regain confidence and a social life. – Duck Girl
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Food is fuel for running
After I had my daughter at age 23, life felt totally out of control and my eating disorder became quite serious. The when I started running (about 18 months ago at age 27), and was amazed at the positive effect it had on the way I felt about myself. It helps me see food as fuel, and without enough fuel my running's not nearly as good. Running has also taught me to co-operate with my body and to feed it when it says it needs feeding! That said, I will always need to be careful. An eating disorder can be like a malevolent friend who's always there when things get bad, and running can become part of a weight obsession. – Lyra O'K
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Eating disorders come in many shapes, but they're all insidious
I've suffered from disordered eating for most of my life. I went to my GP and he was extremely supportive. I am very overweight and certainly don't look like the stereotypical ED sufferer, but my GP took me seriously and managed to get some counselling through the NHS, which helped a lot. It never does go away, especially when I'm under stress, but counselling has definitely helped strengthen my resolve to keep on fighting. – Happychap
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Training can help redirect your need for control
I know that running can be an element of an eating disorder, but in my experience sticking to a training schedule has helped take something away from the ED's. It has also encouraged me to see food as fuel that enables me to do the long runs and sprint sessions. I feel I am recovering. My diet is very healthy, and that could be seen as control, but I no longer starve myself or purge to the extent I did two years ago. Keep on going. It's never going to be a quick fix or an easy process. – Buzzstar
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Take care with running clubs
I used to go to a running club but I left recently. It was a very competitive place, and it was just fuelling my unhealthy obsession. I'm about to try a different club that I hope will be more relaxed. I've also been through the GP and NHS. They do what they can, but basically unless you're at death's door they are limited with what they can offer. When I did the marathon last year I was offered a nutritionist, but the waiting lists were so long that never materialised. It might be worth seeing someone privately if you can afford to. You do sound as if there are still a lot of nasty thoughts going on. Don't be fooled into thinking that because you are eating you are OK. It's not about the weight – there's much more to an eating disorder than that! – la tortuga
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Are you really ready for running?
Perhaps the question you could ask yourself is: is running appropriate for me right now? Running can be isolating and obsessive, as well as health-giving and satisfying, and it would be easy for it to be part of your eating disorder. If you are underweight, recovery from injury will take longer, and your running will be better if you nourish yourself properly. – ejc
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Run for the right reasons
I took up running about six years ago, long after I'd got over my eating disorder. I am 5' 8" and am about a size 14. I think my weight is ideal for my height and body shape, and I feel good in myself, so I don't feel you have to conform to what you hear is normal. Saying you are a size 8 says nothing. If you are 5' 7" you may be grossly underweight. Do you run because you enjoy it or because you think it will help you to lose weight and makes you feel in control? I suspect the latter. I love running and I think it is beneficial to both mind and health, but not at the level you are doing it. If you ran half as much as you do, you shouldn't need to worry about calories. I wish you the best, and hope some of the good advice on this thread helps you. – Juwl
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You're doing too much
You are doing a huge amount of running, and you'd probably be shocked by how much you can eat without gaining weight. In fact you might be better to run a bit less – apart from anything, it'll reduce the chance of injury. – Hot and pink!
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Stay away from other sufferers
Though there will always be a part of me that will have a tendency towards disordered eating, but the biggest turning point for me was the will to succeed in my running. I realise that I am actually quite good at this running lark, and I get great support from people around me. Now the fear of letting my body break down through lack of fuel is greater than the desire to lose weight. I honestly believe that it has helped me break the cycle. The biggest piece of advice I can give is to stay away from like-minded people that haven't recovered. Don't feel guilty about this. Running requires you to be fit and healthy, and it will inspire you beyond belief. I am training for a marathon, and have not weighed myself during training – and I've promised myself I won't do so, as the last thing I want is to start trying to diet whilst running 60 miles a week! – Jelly Bebe
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See a counsellor, and be brutally honest
My wife suffered from bulimia and later anorexia. She suffered for about 15 years and took an overdose about eight months into our relationship. All is well now; we have two great children and have been married four years. What really helped her was very honest sessions with a proper consellor, which enabled her to get to the bottom of the issues that had started the problem in the first place. – Craig Llewellyn
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Hi everyone,
I was emailed a question that really hit home. Those of us who've suffered from EDs will always struggle to kill the demon completely. Running has helped me beyond measure - it's given me mucho respect for my body - but I'll struggle forever with feelings of failure when my appetite creeps up, which it always does in winter.
OK enough self-blah. Here's the question. I suspect that there are a lot of us out there - men as well as women.
"I am a 41-year-old woman, and I started running just over a year ago. Every week I do one 15-mile hilly run, one 10-mile hilly run, one 40-min speed session, one 4-mile fast run and two 6-mile runs. I used to suffer from an eating disorder and have always been a size 8. Running is helping me with recovery mentally, but I am still terrified of gaining weight. If I eat 2,000 calories a day of the right foods, am I likely to gain weight? Should I eat more or less, or exercise mor or less?" - Amanda
Posted: 27/01/2007 at 17:46
Sorry - that wasn't helpful!
Amanda, you clearly do still have a lot of the features of an eating disorder - worry about weight gain and body size, calorie-counting, concern about "the right foods" and, I suspect, using running primarily as a means to control your weight.
You're absolutely right. There are a lot of people out there, and on here, who are, or have been, in exactly the same position as you are.
And that's OK. Eating disorders are common. People come to running from all sorts of backgrounds and with all sorts of hopes and expectations. Lots of athletes have disordered or obsessive attitudes to food. You're not alone.
But I don't think the advice you can get from here is enough. Ideally, I'd like someone like you, who is running lots of miles, to be under the supervision of a coach who has a special interest, and personal expertise, in working with athletes who also have eating disorders. At the very least, I'd like the reassurance of knowing that you're getting advice from a sensible, empathic dietitian out in the real world.
The concrete answer to your question is that unless you're about 3'6" tall, on that training load you are unlikely to put on weight on 2,000 calories a day of ANY sort of foods. If you're a 4'11" size 8, it might just be enough to maintain your weight. If you're a 6'1" size 8, it won't be enough. But I have a feeling that's not really very helpful either.
As for exercising less or more ... you're already doing a substantial mileage for someone who has only been running for a year, and I wouldn't advise pushing it up any higher at the moment. An injury and an enforced break from running at the moment might just tip you back into a spiral of dysfunctional eating and despair, and nobody wants that for you.
Posted: 27/01/2007 at 19:35
RW did a very useful article, with a long accompanying thread you might want to have a look at. I would go with what Vrap said - this isn't something you should try to tackle by 'self-help'. EDs are far too likely to kill you or take your life away, and they should not be messed around with. I had to take more than a year off running after I was discharged from treatment - partly from being a mess physically, but also because I was using running as another way to self-harm and i had to be sure i was running for the right reasons. Something that really helped me when I did get back to running was joining a club. Although I was very nervous about it, it really helped me to get some perspective on a normal healthy approach to running & food, and it helped me regain confidence & a social life too.
Posted: 27/01/2007 at 21:03
My eating's been 'disordered' since I was a child, but towards my late teens I became increasingly weight obsessed and began starving/eating and purging. After I had my daughter (I was 23) life felt totally out of control and it all became much worse.
Started running about 18 months ago (aged 27), and was amazed at the positive effect it had on the way I felt about myself. But I think an eating disorder can be like a malevolent friend who's always there when things get bad, and I knew I was at risk of running becoming part of my weight obsession if I felt at all low.
These forums have been enormously helpful to me, because I don't feel alone with the ED anymore; there are people feeling exactly as I do. Other runners are a huge support, because they've helped me view running in a healthy context, so that my focus is now on being healthy rather than on being thin. Moreover, I know that I function so much better when I eat sufficient. Without enough fuel (I still prefer to think of food as fuel), my running's not nearly as good. Running's taught me to co-operate with my body and to feed it when it says it needs feeding!
I did go to my GP about the ED, but I can't say I found it very helpful. That said, it might work for you and I think many GP's are very understanding of such disorders.
Personally, I don't think that my relationship with food and weight will ever be 'normal'. However, I am optimistic about continuing to live a healthy lifestyle and certainly my old ways wouldn't be welcome in that now.
I wish you all the best, and do try the thread Duck Girl mentioned if you need help. It certainly helped me.
Posted: 28/01/2007 at 13:43
Many years ago, I used to suffer from an eating disorder. I eventually got over the worst of it after suffering for about 3 or 4 years . It took a few more years to completely get over it. But I did. So it is a myth to say you never get over it. I took up running about 6 years ago, long after I'd got over the eating disorder. I am 5ft 8, weight about 10 stone ( I don't know exactly cos I don't own any scales) and am about a size 14 but I know that I look fairly slim because I am quite tall. I think my weight is ideal for my height and body shape and I feel good in myself, so don't feel you have to conform to what you hear is normal, it is different for everyone and depends on loads of factors. Saying you are a size 8 says nothing. If you are 5 foot 7 at that size you are possibly grossly underweight. If you are 5ft nothing then maybe you are ok. If you have a lot of muscle you could be a lot heavier and yet look a lot slimmer cos muscle weighs a lot more than fat. As most people who have any experience of the subject, eating disorders aren't just about food. You are trying to control something in your life, this could be because you are trying to compensate for lack of control over other areas of your life, or because you have an obsessive compulsive tendencies and your food and your weight have become the expression of them. Some people replace one obsession with another, yet you have the eating disorder and as far as I can see , an excessive running regime as well, both of which are obviously connected. Do you run because you enjoy it or because you think it will help you to lose weight and makes you feel in control? I suspect the latter. I love running and I think it is beneficial to both mind and health, but not at the level you are doing it. If you ran half as much as you do you shouldn't even need to worry about what you eat in terms of calories. I wish you the best and hope some of the good advice on this thread helps you.
Posted: 28/01/2007 at 17:36
It is great that Hot and Pink has a successful personal formula but just to put the other side of the coin ... sufferers of eating disorders often struggle with issues of self-control and self punishment and feel great anxiety and guilt if they fail to meet self-imposed targets, both in terms of what they eat and the amount of exercise they achieve. And sufferers also tend to set themselves unrealistic targets - to eat too little and to exercise too much.
Untold misery lies in being obsessed by calories, "good and bad" food, and the need to purge or compensate for calories taken in to the body, whether by being sick or by over-exercising, both of which are obvious means to compensate. Weighing every day induces panic: on gaining a pound or two, we know intellectually this may be linked to the time of the month or fluid balance but the lower brain tends to dominate and the reaction may well be one of fear and self loathing.
The feel I get from Amanda's message is that she is trying so hard to recover but is still caught in the loop - measuring exercise against calories and panicking about weight. And if she is anything like average weight and height she is not eating enough to sustain her programme of running and, crucially, to feel well, happy and healthy when she is not running. I'd say to Amanda to take a step back and think: is this helping me recover or taking over from other kinds of disordered behaviour? I'd urge Amanda to look for other help too, through the NHS, a private counsellor, the EDA, on-line. There is a lot of information out there.
Sorry to ramble - this is a subject close to my heart. I was anorexic briefly in my teens and have been bulimic for 21 years. I am 39 this year. I haven't been able to sustain recovery and have dipped in and out of using exercise (particulary running) to compensate for food eaten or at least to control weight gain. Most people who run do this to some extent but in an ED sufferer it takes on a different complexion.
Posted: 29/01/2007 at 10:13
Here's that link Jelly Bebe mentioned: Marathon TrainingGoing back briefly to what Jelly Bebe mentioned about it being good to get these things out in the open, I couldn't agree more. I have friends who have been invaluable in helping me with the ED. It's not easy to open up about to begin with, but I'm very glad I did - it arguably took away some of the hold the ED had over me, and it no longer felt like my guilty secret. Can't say my revelation came as a surprise to them (baggy clothes don't cover one's cheekbones!), most of them suspected, but that made it easier to talk to them. I do have to be careful when it comes to keeping certain friends at a distance because they're not over ED's. Though I may most of the time feel totally over it, realistically I know I'm still vulnerable and we simply wouldn't help each other at all. Also, I try to avoid people who like to play 'amateur psychologist', whilst listening is great, I'm wary of people who start trying to unravel the mystery of why I have this issue - they're trying to help, but it usually doesn't. Perhaps we all have to find our own way through this stuff, but if there are people who offer a hand and you feel inclined to take it, then do. Sorry, turns out that wasn't a particularly brief post!
Posted: 01/02/2007 at 12:27
Hope nobody minds if I join in. I've been really lucky as I have health insurance through work. When I started my job 2 years ago I had been making myself seriously ill for about 6 months (after 9 years of on-and-off ED, excessive exercise - at one point I was going to the gym twice a day for 3 hours at a time- starvation, binging, laxatives, diuretics - you name it, I've tried it); when I started my job I was instantly plunged into 80-100 hour weeks eating canteen food only - things just went from bad to worse. I was able to get counselling through the health insurance. Through the counsellor I've learnt that I need to eat 3 times a day, whatever happens. I found that counting calories just made me concentrate on what I couldn't have for the rest of the day, rather than being guided by what I felt in myself. Of course, we all have to find what works for us. If anything goes wrong, the ED kicks back in again. If I have a bad day and eat badly, it's really hard to resist the urge to purge... I find it tough as the forum is the only place I've found where I can get support (other people just don't get it), so I'm a bit worried about being discharged from the hospital next month, but I know I can always find someone on here.
I'd agree with Craig in that the only time I started to get better was when the cousnellor and I thrashed out the things that caused the issues in the first place.
Posted: 01/02/2007 at 14:35
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